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Going to step out of this until DC is ready to answer biblical questions as per my post on Romans 12:3 above. If you man up and end your callow tirade, then you'll be acting like a man and more importantly one who is converted. No need to listen to your little juvenile jabs in the meantime.
 

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... At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” Matthew 22:30-32
 
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Going to step out of this until DC is ready to answer biblical questions as per my post on Romans 12:3 above. If you man up and end your callow tirade, then you'll be acting like a man and more importantly one who is converted. No need to listen to your little juvenile jabs in the meantime.
Take your own advice pal....

and like normal....won't answer the hard question of why your doctrine is called CALVINISM.......
 

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...For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 1 Peter 3:18-20
 
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I thought you two were discussing this in PM. So as not to hurt friendship??
 
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Sorry gentlemen. Had work. Only have a few minutes now.
Genesis 6:4 There were [b]giants on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

There are those that believe there were a second incursion of fallen angels. I don't think so.

So the Nephillim show up after the flood. I think it's fair speculation to say that one of Noah's son's wives at least were corrupted.

Absurd to think God had Israel wipe out every man, woman, child and baby and animal because of sins that we ALL commit, INCLUDING the Israelites themselves.
My friend, that is inference at best. I will not build my doctrine off of inference.
 

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... Imitating Christ’s Humility If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:1-11
 
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just of note. Animal and human dna are incompatible. that is why humans can not procreate with any animal all "kinds" are limited to their own "kind"
I just watched a documentary yesterday where spider dna had been spliced with sheep, a man made synthetic dna from the letter sequence of the Hebrew alphabet and injected himself and Human dna being mixed with cattle.......it seems that many things are being genetically altered....it is a fact and the Hebrew word applied unto Noah can mean genetically pure in a forensic sense.....just saying
 

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...So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? 1 Corinthians 4:1-7
 
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This dude slept in an 15-18 foot bed!!! We can speculate him to have been at least 12 feet tall. There is no reason to even mention his bed except to stress just how huge he was.

King Og Defeated
3 “Then we turned and went up the road to Bashan; and Og king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the Lord said to me, ‘Do not fear him, for I have delivered him and all his people and his land into your hand; you shall do to him as you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who dwelt at Heshbon.’

3 “So the Lord our God also delivered into our hands Og king of Bashan, with all his people, and we [a]attacked him until he had no survivors remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides a great many rural towns. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children of every city. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as booty for ourselves.

8 “And at that time we took the land from the hand of the two kings of the Amorites who were on this side of the Jordan, from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon 9 (the Sidonians call Hermon Sirion, and the Amorites call it Senir), 10 all the cities of the plain, all Gilead, and all Bashan, as far as Salcah and Edrei, cities of the kingdom of Og in Bashan.

11 “For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the [b]giants. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit.
Yep, "speculate" not "interpret" or do a historico-grammatical study.
 
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Not only the people, but the produce was gigantic! Think about a bunch of grapes today and compare:
Numbers 13:23 Then they came to the [e]Valley of Eshcol, and there cut down a branch with one cluster of grapes; they carried it between two of them on a pole.

And the people were GIGANTIC!!! Why do you think the spies were afraid?

Numbers 13:
28 Nevertheless the people who dwell in the land are strong; the cities are fortified and very large; moreover we saw the descendants of Anak there. 29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”

30 Then Caleb quieted the people before Moses, and said, “Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it.”

31 But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” 32 And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 There we saw the [h]giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like[i] grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Now I know a 7 footer and some upper 6 foot guys. They be big!!! But in NO WAY would I describe myself as being a grasshopper in their sight.
It does say they were as tall as the cedars......You know every culture from antiquity has references to giants in some form or fashion.......
 

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Two Kinds of Wisdom
... Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18
 
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This is tough stuff brother. This is one of those areas I really struggled with. Mostly because we have this societal vision of what Angels are.

But those Angels had sex with human women and produced a hybrid race. Jude relates the sin of the Sodomites going after "strange flesh" men having sex with men, with the Angels going after the strange flesh of human beings.

You don't like. Tell me why they are in Tartarus.
Actually the word strange qualifies the statement and we see those in the Middle East doing the same thing...beastialty...!
 
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Or could it not mean Noah (who walked with God) was justified not by his actions. But by grace, because like Abraham, Noah believed God and it was accounted to hm for righteousness? Just a differing thought..
Look up the Hebrew word perfect in that text......not just a cursory evaluation but actually an indepth study of the word.
 

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Listening and Doing
... My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:19-27
 
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I agree,, I believe this did happen. I remember being taught this in church when I was young. But I am not sure I still believe this is why the flood occured. I do not believe any angel could mate wiht a human, unless they had the power to give themselves a human body with human DNA (again reffered to as “kind” or specie) the ffspring (if any) would still be born dead, and still need to be born again. They would still be human (although they may have charcteristics other humans do not have, that woudl all be subjective, and could not be proven
It does say that man was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death and the men of SODOM wanted to have sex with the angels (know them) just pointing it out
 

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... Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you. 1 Timothy 6:20-21

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 2 Timothy 2:15-19
 
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God bless Dcon for allowing deviations!

We'll get back to hammering those that want to earn their salvation soon enough!

First I gotta convince P4T that Angels saw some hot womens and couldn't control themselves!
Chasing rabbits is always a fun endeavour.....especially if I am packing the 1100 20 gauge hahha