Need clarity regarding this Predestination thing and something related to an election?

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NayborBear

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Milee777 said:
Remote areas.. No one can be saved? Sounds as though God is helpless. In the middle east... or somewhere... Spreading the gospel was absolutely banned... then what happened... God became helpless because man banned the spread of the word..? Nah... They started seeing visions of Jesus, the people there. God revealed Himself personally to them.
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....and not just remote "areas" either! ;)
 
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Milee777 said:
Remote areas.. No one can be saved? Sounds as though God is helpless. In the middle east... or somewhere... Spreading the gospel was absolutely banned... then what happened... God became helpless because man banned the spread of the word..? Nah... They started seeing visions of Jesus, the people there. God revealed Himself personally to them.
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Where do you find this in the record of God my friend? This is anti-sufficiency of the word of God.
 
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Milee777 said:
Remote areas.. No one can be saved? Sounds as though God is helpless. In the middle east... or somewhere... Spreading the gospel was absolutely banned... then what happened... God became helpless because man banned the spread of the word..? Nah... They started seeing visions of Jesus, the people there. God revealed Himself personally to them.
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It is beliefs like this that cause many to believe in Fatima, my friend.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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Milee777 said:
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift— 9 not from works, so that no one can boast.(Ephesians 2)

People are saved by grace through faith my friend. There is no other way around this. Seeing that faith comes by hearing the word(Romans 10:17), there is no way one can be saved in remote areas where the word has never been proclaimed. Faith comes THROUGH hearing word(and I think reading it would be apt as well), not mystical means you teach.
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Faith is a fruit of the Spirit. No Spirit, no spiritual faith. Faith is given after we are born of the Spirit. There is a deliverance in having faith in the gospel after being born again, just not eternal deliverance.
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Milee777 said:
Remote areas.. No one can be saved? Sounds as though God is helpless. In the middle east... or somewhere... Spreading the gospel was absolutely banned... then what happened... God became helpless because man banned the spread of the word..? Nah... They started seeing visions of Jesus, the people there. God revealed Himself personally to them.
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Faith comes by hearing the word of God not visions, my friend.(Romans 10:17).
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
1 Corinthians 2:14, Ephesians 2:5. Are there any other verses you can quote?
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Don't forget Psalm 53:2-3. If you twist 1 Corinthians 2:14 just right you can make any person who believes in spirituality converted. That makes even the reprobates of Romans 1 converted.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
@ForestGreenCook yes faith is a fruit of the Spirit as Galatians 5:22 clearly shows. However, faith comes by HEARING the word of God, not mystical means.
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Those who have ears to hear, let him hear. My SHEEP hear my voice and I call them by name. There is a deliverance (not eternal ) in hearing and believing the gospel after regeneration.
 
Milee777

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Where do you find this in the record of God my friend? This is anti-sufficiency of the word of God.
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Oh my my.. Am talking about something recent... It happened only some 1 or 2 years back or so. Its not something from the Bible am telling.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Those who have ears to hear, let him hear. My SHEEP hear my voice and I call them by name. There is a deliverance (not eternal ) in hearing and believing the gospel after regeneration.
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And how do His sheep hear His voice? Via the Bible and/or other Christians witnessing to them using the Bible.
 
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Milee777 said:
Didnt Saul who became Paul have an encounter with God..
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Yes. But that was before the canon of scripture was closed. John was called up into the third heaven in Revelation, can we expect the same treatment? No.
 
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