Speaking in tongues
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Matthew 7:21-23 is about those who are true disciples and do have signs following them as evidence of the power of God confirming
his word and their faith > Pentecostal church of the first century and now of these last days.
However many who are born new again by baptism of water and Spirit do not continue on and fall away or fall prey to another gospel.
These are those to whom Jesus is referring to: they may have initially done many wonderful works but they have not kept the faith
nor finished the race.
Jesus is not talking about Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox believers who are not adherents of the original Pentecostal gospel
that we read of in out NT.
Matthew 7:21-23 is about those who are true disciples and do have signs following them as evidence of the power of God confirming
his word and their faith > Pentecostal church of the first century and now of these last days.
However many who are born new again by baptism of water and Spirit do not continue on and fall away or fall prey to another gospel.
These are those to whom Jesus is referring to: they may have initially done many wonderful works but they have not kept the faith
nor finished the race.
Jesus is not talking about Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox believers who are not adherents of the original Pentecostal gospel
that we read of in out NT.
Psalms 116: 15 Precious in the sight of the LORD
is the death of His saints.
Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.
2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.
Thou shall not have it both ways.
But actually, you have no idea what is happening in the spiritual realm; spiritual resurrection is now, to be absent in the body is to be present in the Lord. So no going back.
is the death of His saints.
Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.
2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.
Thou shall not have it both ways.
But actually, you have no idea what is happening in the spiritual realm; spiritual resurrection is now, to be absent in the body is to be present in the Lord. So no going back.
Why would you use thatverse to argue against the idea of the goft of prophecy and certain other gifts being in operation if you admit it did not mean that then?
If this has been completely fulfilled why are we having these discussions? This verse applies more to discussions than doing a miracle, for example.
Read the book. That hich decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. The Gentiles are currently being shown mercy while much of the house of Israel are in unbelief, 'enemies for your sakes but beloved for the sakes of the fathers' but 'All Israel shall be saved' (Romans 11) at the proper time.
If this has been completely fulfilled why are we having these discussions? This verse applies more to discussions than doing a miracle, for example.
Read the book. That hich decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. The Gentiles are currently being shown mercy while much of the house of Israel are in unbelief, 'enemies for your sakes but beloved for the sakes of the fathers' but 'All Israel shall be saved' (Romans 11) at the proper time.
Scriptures of great importance for those questioning speaking/singing/praying in the Holy Ghost:
Notice in Jude that praying in the Holy Ghost will be occurring in the last days:
Jude 17-25
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Paul's comments:
“For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.” 1 Cor 14:14-15
"I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:" 1 Cor 14:18
Notice in Jude that praying in the Holy Ghost will be occurring in the last days:
Jude 17-25
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Paul's comments:
“For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.” 1 Cor 14:14-15
"I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:" 1 Cor 14:18
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no I did not you are a bias unlearned person who did not see what I said; but interjected your false narrative. here it is again
Hmm so when Jesus said "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12 Jesu was not meaning what HE said?
When Jesus said In Matthew 28: 19-20
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19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
He did not mean that ?
When Jesus said in Mark 16:15- 18
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Jesus did not mean that?
Do you even know what the context of the word Salvation?
"sōtēria"
deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
or Saved means?
sōzō
save, heal, and deliver. Did you read what Jesus said in Luke 4 :18
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
But you say Miracles are not part of the Gospel. FYI Salvation is a miracle. what prideful comments you continue to make while ill-informed .
There you go.
Hmm so when Jesus said "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12 Jesu was not meaning what HE said?
When Jesus said In Matthew 28: 19-20
"
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
He did not mean that ?
When Jesus said in Mark 16:15- 18
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Jesus did not mean that?
Do you even know what the context of the word Salvation?
"sōtēria"
deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
or Saved means?
sōzō
save, heal, and deliver. Did you read what Jesus said in Luke 4 :18
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
But you say Miracles are not part of the Gospel. FYI Salvation is a miracle. what prideful comments you continue to make while ill-informed .
There you go.
Thank you for your proper defense of the gifts.
I for one ,am appreciative.
It seems to me,had i not been exposed to the Holy Spirit at conversion and those early years of my walk,i could easily have been in the number of the detractors,trying tirelessly to discredit the gifts and the Holy Spirit.
What is going on,as i see it, is backwards.
The Spirit in His awesome power PRECEEDS the word ideally.
When the gospel comes and conversion results,i say a thousand amens,and tearfull celebrate with them.
It is tragic to leave them there. I see them as robbed. Disenfranchised of something too wonderful for words.
My salvation was similar to Paul's,so no doctrine preceeded my conversion.
No prayer either.
He came.i yielded. He entered i accepted his entrance.
I just knew He was very,very real.
The entire church had the baptism of the H. S.......except me.
I got it a few months later.
Woah.what a ride!!!
I for one ,am appreciative.
It seems to me,had i not been exposed to the Holy Spirit at conversion and those early years of my walk,i could easily have been in the number of the detractors,trying tirelessly to discredit the gifts and the Holy Spirit.
What is going on,as i see it, is backwards.
The Spirit in His awesome power PRECEEDS the word ideally.
When the gospel comes and conversion results,i say a thousand amens,and tearfull celebrate with them.
It is tragic to leave them there. I see them as robbed. Disenfranchised of something too wonderful for words.
My salvation was similar to Paul's,so no doctrine preceeded my conversion.
No prayer either.
He came.i yielded. He entered i accepted his entrance.
I just knew He was very,very real.
The entire church had the baptism of the H. S.......except me.
I got it a few months later.
Woah.what a ride!!!
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they may be profitable, yet not contextual. you can make a term to study yet cannot be added to the word of God when it is not there. In addition, using secular terms and explanation for spiritual things is an error. The term cessationists in context to the gifts of the Holy Spirit is not there. "Ceased " is nothing without the sentence, verse, paragraph, chapters and book it was used in. You have not done that. You took one word " Cease" and built a doctrine just like the oneness did in their error of baptism and tongues.
There is no "Pentecostal gospel". That is a term that you have coined and it is inaccurate. Mat 7 is about those who profess with their mouth but have never possessed in their heart.
The pope has many works that he claims demonstrate his holiness. The pope denies the bible gospel and promotes a false soteriology.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The pope has many works that he claims demonstrate his holiness. The pope denies the bible gospel and promotes a false soteriology.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There was a time when God actually stopped tongues.
That was when Zechariah was being rather impertinent with the angel gabriel disbelieving him, so he was struck dumb and only could speak after John was born. Their neighbours and cousins were going to call their son zecahrah after his dad but no...his wrote that name is John.
After that zechariahs' tongue was loosed not only that but he PRAISED GOD.
This is what we ought to be using our tongues for, not arguing over doctrine or questioning or doubting but PRAISING GOD!
That was when Zechariah was being rather impertinent with the angel gabriel disbelieving him, so he was struck dumb and only could speak after John was born. Their neighbours and cousins were going to call their son zecahrah after his dad but no...his wrote that name is John.
After that zechariahs' tongue was loosed not only that but he PRAISED GOD.
This is what we ought to be using our tongues for, not arguing over doctrine or questioning or doubting but PRAISING GOD!
You continue to post much gobbledegook -
When dead people are raised up from death they are raised up physically.
Stop posting nonsense and answer the question directly - what actual evidence [to date obviously none] have you to present
that the miracle of raising up a dead person back to life by the power of God does not happen today?
Give me irrefutable evidence that this does not happen, not airy fairy waffle.
When dead people are raised up from death they are raised up physically.
Stop posting nonsense and answer the question directly - what actual evidence [to date obviously none] have you to present
that the miracle of raising up a dead person back to life by the power of God does not happen today?
Give me irrefutable evidence that this does not happen, not airy fairy waffle.