The Reign of Jesus Christ

Journeyman · Jan 17, 2019

The reign of our dear Savior is thought of as a future event, but by the things he did, we can understand how our great Lord reigned over all during his ministry on earth.

Jesus commanded the force of nature. He commanded demons. I think it can be difficult to understand how Jesus wasn't ruling over mankind during his time on earth, when he obviously ruled forces greater than man. I think the answer is in how Jesus reigns.

He chose not to judge us, but to reign with meekness, overcoming evil with good. He defeated sin and death. He reigns in us the same way.. Does the idea of Jesus reigning now make sense to anyone else here?

Lanolin · Jan 17, 2019

Well earthly rulers Kings and queens have a very limited power when you think of it. Sure they can command armies and colonise lands and build lavish palaces and give garden parties and spend taxpayers money...but can they really affect ordinary peoples lives when they are so aristocratic and removed from us? Prime ministers and govts and councils can pass new laws or make up by laws but getting people to obey them is a whole nother task. Many become tryants trying to police all the ones that disobey.

I dont think they can accomplish everything because they are trying to do that on their own strength ie. the flesh. GOds ways are so much higher, higher even than her royal highness, who at the end of the day, is flesh and blood and will grow old and die one day, and has to go toilet and eat like the rest of us, and sometimes even make mistakes!!

tanakh · Jan 18, 2019

Journeyman said:

The reign of our dear Savior is thought of as a future event, but by the things he did, we can understand how our great Lord reigned over all during his ministry on earth.

Jesus commanded the force of nature. He commanded demons. I think it can be difficult to understand how Jesus wasn't ruling over mankind during his time on earth, when he obviously ruled forces greater than man. I think the answer is in how Jesus reigns.

He chose not to judge us, but to reign with meekness, overcoming evil with good. He defeated sin and death. He reigns in us the same way.. Does the idea of Jesus reigning now make sense to anyone else here?

He reigns now nothing in Heaven or earth happens unless he allows it to happen. The adversary was defeated at the cross

MessageOfTheCross · Jan 18, 2019

Considering both Protestants and Catholics, nearly 2 billion people in the world refer to themselves as "Christian." And yet, Jesus said, "And few there be who find it," speaking of Eternal Life (Matthew 7:14).

So, this means that hundreds of millions are in the church but not "in Christ." As well, it speaks of tremendous numbers of others who are truly "in Christ," but will ultimately be removed for lack of fruit bearing. In other words, they forsake the Cross for something else (John 15:2, 6).

All born again Christians accepted Jesus Christ and the Cross of Calvary for salvation. But few Christians accept Him and the Cross of Calvary for sanctification. The Apostle Paul calls this "another Jesus" (2 Cor. 11:4).

Christ must never be separated from the Work of the Cross; to do so is to produce "another Jesus" (2 Cor. 11:4).

The Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18).

Journeyman · Jan 18, 2019

Lanolin said:

Well earthly rulers Kings and queens have a very limited power when you think of it. Sure they can command armies and colonise lands and build lavish palaces and give garden parties and spend taxpayers money...but can they really affect ordinary peoples lives when they are so aristocratic and removed from us? Prime ministers and govts and councils can pass new laws or make up by laws but getting people to obey them is a whole nother task. Many become tryants trying to police all the ones that disobey.

I dont think they can accomplish everything because they are trying to do that on their own strength ie. the flesh. GOds ways are so much higher, higher even than her royal highness, who at the end of the day, is flesh and blood and will grow old and die one day, and has to go toilet and eat like the rest of us, and sometimes even make mistakes!!

Yes Lanolin. In fact, the Bible tells us,

the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will Dan.4:17

I don't think this changed when God became flesh.

Journeyman · Jan 18, 2019

tanakh said:

Yes tanakh, the enemy was defeated by Jesus at the cross, but I think the devil was overcome by Jesus on a daily basis during our Lord's ministry.

I believe Jesus was showing mankind that the word of the Lord has always reigned over this earth. We weren't aware of it, until God showed that even in the weakness of human flesh, how much stronger he is than the adversary.

Deade · Jan 18, 2019

Journeyman said:

God reigns supreme over all the earth and the rest of the universe. He always has and always will. The devils know that and keep their place. God gave dominion of earth to man (Gen. 1:26). That hasn't changed, but the demons still rule the world systems by influencing man. Most men are not aware of that influence, so he thinks he runs things.

Now to the cross. The cross changed only the blanket accusation by Satan that man could not live sinlessly. Jesus showed that it is possible. Even though God reigns, He has been pretty much letting things on earth run its course. He will intervene right before we completely destroy it. God is in the process of purging His universe of evil. Proving to the angels, fallen or not, and to we humans that deciding right and wrong for ourselves is not the way to go.

Let us not confuse God's supremacy with His earthly reign as it will happen during the Millennial Kingdom. God created us and has the keys to what will make us fixed and righteous that will lead to our happiness. Let us not try to decide to many things that God is working out here among us. Some things maybe we should just observe. Like God saying: "Sit back and watch this!"

louis · Jan 18, 2019

Journeyman said:

Was love actually ruling over mankind during Christs time on earth?

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

RickyZ · Jan 18, 2019

Journeyman said:

The reign of our dear Savior is thought of as a future event, but by the things he did, we can understand how our great Lord reigned over all during his ministry on earth.

Jesus commanded the force of nature. He commanded demons. I think it can be difficult to understand how Jesus wasn't ruling over mankind during his time on earth, when he obviously ruled forces greater than man. I think the answer is in how Jesus reigns.

He chose not to judge us, but to reign with meekness, overcoming evil with good. He defeated sin and death. He reigns in us the same way.. Does the idea of Jesus reigning now make sense to anyone else here?

These were isolated events. When He returns these will be worldwide events.

Journeyman · Jan 18, 2019

Deade said:

God reigns supreme over all the earth and the rest of the universe. He always has and always will. The devils know that and keep their place. God gave dominion of earth to man (Gen. 1:26). That hasn't changed, but the demons still rule the world systems by influencing man. Most men are not aware of that influence, so he thinks he runs things.

Now to the cross. The cross changed only the blanket accusation by Satan that man could not live sinlessly. Jesus showed that it is possible. Even though God reigns, He has been pretty much letting things on earth run its course. He will intervene right before we completely destroy it. God is in the process of purging His universe of evil. Proving to the angels, fallen or not, and to we humans that deciding right and wrong for ourselves is not the way to go.

Let us not confuse God's supremacy with His earthly reign as it will happen during the Millennial Kingdom. God created us and has the keys to what will make us fixed and righteous that will lead to our happiness. Let us not try to decide to many things that God is working out here among us. Some things maybe we should just observe. Like God saying: "Sit back and watch this!"

I'm thinking along the lines of God intervening in the lives of mankind every day. This is why he sent his Son. As you say, God is in the process of purging the universe of evil. This happens through faith in Christ. I believe the supremacy of God is shown in the earthly reign of Jesus, which to me is a current reality.

Journeyman · Jan 18, 2019

louis said:

Yes Louis. I believe Jesus ruled over humanity in love during his tome on earth and continues to do so in Spirit. I believe his merciful reign over this world will end for the unsaved upon his return to earth in person.

Journeyman · Jan 18, 2019

RickyZ said:

RickyZ, the point I'm making is that we believe those isolated events, along with the isolated earthly ministry of our Lord 2000 years ago, which ministry by his Spirit is no longer isolated. I don't think any believer should be waiting for Jesus to come and reign over us. Unbelievers don't see God ruling this world. According to Peter,some will say,

Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.2Pet.3:4

That text shows us people who say such things are wIting to be destroyed, so a current reign of Christ makes sense.

Deade · Jan 18, 2019

Journeyman said:

I see you have been studying with the Amillennialism camp. What do you think about Christ's return to earth? Will it happen? Will He take over governing anything? Do you think Satan is bound right now? The kingdom of God is in our hearts only, right?

Journeyman · Jan 18, 2019

Deade said:

I think the Kingdom of God is all around us. I think the universe he created belongs to him. I think people have gotten so used to living on the earth God lent them, they think it belongs to them.

I believe when Jesus returns in person, he will come as the sun, as a blazing inferno. The word of the Lord has always governed. I think people mistake the mercy of God for the nonexistence of God.

Journeyman · Jan 18, 2019

And Satan is bound by faith in Jesus.

louis · Jan 19, 2019

Journeyman said:

Of course Jesus who is the son of love taught everyone He encountered to love, but the vast majority of people preferred darkness, and still do.
Love does not commence to reign until the judgment sits and commeces to consume and destroy the beasts system (Daniel 7:26).
As the time, times, and dividing of time in which the beasts system is given authority in Daniel 7:25 correlates with the time, times, and half a time in Revelation 12:14; Revelation 12:10 then corroborates the Lord and His kingdom through the saints commencing to reign at the commencing collapse of the beasts system.
You guys should really read the bible once in a while, it has a lot of information on how things are going to go down.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Journeyman · Jan 19, 2019

louis said:

That's true, but this has always been true throughout history, yet we know God reigned through all of it. And by this fact as well as others, I came to understand the "reign of Christ" in a way much differently from how I thought of it before.

louis said:

Love doesn't wait. Love shows himself at all times. Jesus said,

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. Jn.12:31

Satan is cast out by the love Jesus showed to the world and continues to show through us. But where is the devil cast out from? From the heavenly realm, which we become citizens of when Christ enters us.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Rev.12:12

But what does it mean that the devil "has come down" to us? Hasn't the devil always been on earth with great wrath persecuting believers? And since this is true, we should think of Satan being made lower in a different way.

posthuman · Jan 19, 2019

louis said:

the existence of criminals doesn't comment on the existence or legitimacy of law or authority.

posthuman · Jan 19, 2019

louis said:

i agree

You, LORD, reign forever;

Your throne endures from generation to generation

(Lamentations 5:19)

dcontroversal · Jan 19, 2019

Jesus did tell Pilate that had it not been given from above, Pilate would have no power over Jesus.......................

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