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louis

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Exactly.................
You're exactly right.
The angel informs Daniel in 12:4 and 12:9 that the information related to him in Daniel 11 and 12 was meant for the end times, at which time knowledge of what was related to him would then increase and become known.
These data were not recognized in 18th, or 19th, or even 20th centuries for what they represent.
These data are only now begining to be realized for what they represent.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
 

iamsoandso

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I agree,until the increase of knowledge comes the only thing I/we can do is to exhaust every possible avenue from past history where it (does not fit). I apologize for constantly bringing up Josephus wars 2,the first revolt coins, Romans 13,1 Peter 2 ect. (probbably sounds like a broken record,lol) but as you say(and the Scripture) "until knolege is increased" on this matter I think the only way to be productive with this is to eliminate any possible place these things could have been fulfilled in the past. This might seem sort of backwards but in it I think it will eliminate much confusion when it does come.
 

NayborBear

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Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro (apostosize-to "rove/turn about/despise". "till many have gone raving mad"), and knowledge (calamities, or wickedness) shall be increased. :oops:
 

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I knew someone who refused to buy anything priced at 9.99
because upside down it’s 66.6

They thought pricing labels were the mark of the beast.
~~~~~~~~ yeah some people wouldn't shop at the supermarkets when the scanning first came out
 

VCO

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No we're not.

Until such prophecies as Matt 24v15 (with Dan 11v31), 2Thess 2v3,4 are fulfilled there is no point in speculating who he is.

WHERE ON GOD"S GREEN EARTH did you get the IDEA that the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST and the SECOND COMING are the SAME THING ? ? ? They are Two separate events, at least 7 years apart. Born Again Christians will be called to heaven for the WEDDING, before Antichrist is revealed by establishing that 7 year Peace Treaty (70th Week of Daniel), which the Antichrist will break that Peace Treaty, Half Ways through it, by taking over the Third Temple and setting up his throne in the Holy of Holy's.

REMEMBER the Holy Spirit is the one who will always hold back Satan from coming to FULL POWER AS THE ANTICHRIST, but the Holy Spirit will be taken of this earth {taken out of the way} so that Antichrist can come to FULL POWER. If the Holy Spirit is called back to Heaven for that purpose, THEN WE HAVE TO GO WITH HIM!

John 14:16-17 (ESV)
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
 

VCO

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As the book of Revelation was written circa 95 AD, those of you who then say the number of the beast represents Nero who died in 68 AD; would mean Revelation chapter 13 is a historical recount of events circa some 30 years earlier, and not a book of prophesy.
However, as the Lord in Revelation 4:1 calls John up to heaven to show him things which must then be hereafter, indicating chapters 4 through 22 as future prophesy, Nero Claudius Caesar can then not represent the beast in Revelation 13.
To yet claim otherwise, denies the Word in Revelation 4:1.

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

NOT EVEN CLOSE, that Theory about NERO being the Beast is PURE MALARKEY.
 

Hevosmies

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WHERE ON GOD"S GREEN EARTH did you get the IDEA that the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST and the SECOND COMING are the SAME THING ? ? ? They are Two separate events, at least 7 years apart. Born Again Christians will be called to heaven for the WEDDING, before Antichrist is revealed by establishing that 7 year Peace Treaty (70th Week of Daniel), which the Antichrist will break that Peace Treaty, Half Ways through it, by taking over the Third Temple and setting up his throne in the Holy of Holy's.

REMEMBER the Holy Spirit is the one who will always hold back Satan from coming to FULL POWER AS THE ANTICHRIST, but the Holy Spirit will be taken of this earth {taken out of the way} so that Antichrist can come to FULL POWER. If the Holy Spirit is called back to Heaven for that purpose, THEN WE HAVE TO GO WITH HIM!

John 14:16-17 (ESV)
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
Brother VCO what if the rapture happens today, right?

Wouldnt that mean the jig is up for the antichrist? Meaning: Nobody would BELIEVE or FALL FOR the antichrist deception? everyone has seen the left behind movie, even many nonchristians know about it. So they would figure "Hey, rapture happened, guy thats coming next is the antichrist, lets not mess with him"

Wouldnt that happen? Who in their right mind would choose the antichrist after seeing the rapture occur? Biggest revival ever.

Its also odd the Bible NEVER gives those left behind advice on what to do if that happens, thats quite a gap.

I know you already said you wont change your views, I respect that, and not typing this to argue, but wanting a response to my question only.
I consider you a brother in Christ
 

VCO

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The remnant of Israel is not all Israel. They would be the born again ones of Israel, as inward Jews.

Not finished doing what having the gospel presented to them?

Outward Israel having been used as a parable for the time then present fulfilled the need for God to use them as a metaphor or shadow as a way of preaching the gospel beforehand until the time of reformation .We walk by faith the unseen. They are no different than any pagan nation today that does not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them .

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Flesh gives birth to flesh .the Spirit of Christ gives birth to our new spirit that could never die. it will be raised on the last day.


When the time of reformation came, the government of God was restored to the time period of Judges when their was no outward representation of our King in heaven not seen . when God gave Isreal over to that which they should not of it was for a temporal time.

The Israel that he renamed Christian in Acts are the residents of the city of Christ prepared as His bride the church .She named Christian is made up of Jew and gentile. God placing no difference between them purifying the hearts of both according to His work of faith or labor of love.

The church is the remnant of his inheritance.


You have believed a FALLACY. The CHURCH HAS NEVER BEEN ISRAEL and NEVER WILL BE. They are HIS CHOSEN NATION (PEOPLE), while we are his ADOPTED CHILDREN. The Remnant is the 144,000 ALL JEWS, 12,000 of Each Tribe. They go into the KINGDOM in their MORTAL BODIES, while we GO INTO THE KINGDOM IN OUR IMMORTAL BODIES, to reign as Priests (Teachers) of their children.


1 Corinthians 10:32 (HCSB)
32 Give no offense to the Jews or the Greeks or the church of God,

Acts 14:5 (ASV)
5 And when there was made an onset both of the Gentiles and of the Jews with their rulers, to treat them shamefully and to stone them,

Romans 3:9 (HCSB)
9 What then? Are we any better? Not at all! For we have previously charged that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin,

Romans 3:29 (HCSB)
29 Or is God for Jews only? Is He not also for Gentiles? Yes, for Gentiles too,

Galatians 2:15-16 (HCSB)
15 We who are Jews by birth and not “Gentile sinners”
16 know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Now don't CHOKE ON THESE VERSES:

Jeremiah 23:7-8 (HCSB)
7 “The days are coming”—the LORD’s declaration—“when it will no longer be said, ‘As the LORD lives who brought the Israelites from the land of Egypt,’
8 but, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the land of the north and from all the other countries where I had banished them.’ They will dwell once more in their own land.”

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever.


You may want to Repent of being jealous of their position as HIS CHOSEN NATION.
 

VCO

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Brother VCO what if the rapture happens today, right?

Wouldnt that mean the jig is up for the antichrist? Meaning: Nobody would BELIEVE or FALL FOR the antichrist deception? everyone has seen the left behind movie, even many nonchristians know about it. So they would figure "Hey, rapture happened, guy thats coming next is the antichrist, lets not mess with him"

Wouldnt that happen? Who in their right mind would choose the antichrist after seeing the rapture occur? Biggest revival ever.

Its also odd the Bible NEVER gives those left behind advice on what to do if that happens, thats quite a gap.

I know you already said you wont change your views, I respect that, and not typing this to argue, but wanting a response to my question only.
I consider you a brother in Christ

He will be INVITED to be Ruler of the final form of the IRON EMPIRE, the Iron mixed with the Clay feet of a ten nation confederacy. I believe the EU is that Confederacy. He singlehandedly rescues them from a world wide banking collapse, it all has to do with MONEY. NO, HE IS THEIR HERO. He will rule PEACEFULLY for 3.5 years, then HE BECOMES THE MOST BLOOD THIRSTY DICTATOR THAT HAS EVER LIVED.

Yes, I believe the rapture could happen at any moment. There is NO PROPHECY that has to happen before the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ happens. It could be the NEXT EVENT in Biblical Prophecy to be fullfilled, now that ISRAEL has been called back to the LAND.
 

Hevosmies

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He will be INVITED to be Ruler of the final form of the IRON EMPIRE, the Iron mixed with the Clay feet of a ten nation confederacy. I believe the EU is that Confederacy. He singlehandedly rescues them from a world wide banking collapse, it all has to do with MONEY. NO, HE IS THEIR HERO. He will rule PEACEFULLY for 3.5 years, then HE BECOMES THE MOST BLOOD THIRSTY DICTATOR THAT HAS EVER LIVED.

Yes, I believe the rapture could happen at any moment. There is NO PROPHECY that has to happen before the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ happens. It could be the NEXT EVENT in Biblical Prophecy to be fullfilled.
i live in the EU and i can confirm its a demonic instituion.

They are literally dictating everything to the nation states in the EU. Its like we arent even independent anymore its just EU EU EU EU and their rules.
Even our traditional foods are directed and given an official recipe or else it cant be called that (Now people are doing paper work to change this so they can use their family recipes and sell it at their bakeries with the right name). NO LIE. Thats how petty it is. control freaks.
 
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The Church of the Firstborn in the Wilderness................................hmmmmm
 
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i live in the EU and i can confirm its a demonic instituion.

They are literally dictating everything to the nation states in the EU. Its like we arent even independent anymore its just EU EU EU EU and their rules.
Even our traditional foods are directed and given an official recipe or else it cant be called that. NO LIE. Thats how petty it is. control freaks
Except for the fact that the beast comes out of what Alexander conquered and then was divided by his 4 generals....with the wars between the kings of the North and the Kings of the South culminating with the forerunner of the beast.....from South Eastern Turkey, North Western Iraq and North Eastern Syria.....with the FALSE prophet coming from the reunified Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox religion...........

I do not buy the modern version of the end........as you know by the book
 

Laish

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Except for the fact that the beast comes out of what Alexander conquered and then was divided by his 4 generals....with the wars between the kings of the North and the Kings of the South culminating with the forerunner of the beast.....from South Eastern Turkey, North Western Iraq and North Eastern Syria.....with the FALSE prophet coming from the reunified Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox religion...........

I do not buy the modern version of the end........as you know by the book
Do you mean Eastern Orthodox?
The Greek Orthodox is just one piece or part there are several that split in the schism of 1453 .
Rome is currently separated from several churches .
  1. Albania
  2. Bulgaria
  3. Cyprus
  4. the Czech Republic
  5. Georgia
  6. Greece
  7. Poland
  8. Romania
  9. Russia
  10. Serbia
  11. Slovakia
  12. Sinai

All the bishops of these Orthodox Churches are equals. They have no pope only someone called a first among equals that has no ruling authority.

Also in order to reunify the pope of the Catholic Church would have to step down and become a equal among the other bishops. I never see that happening. Then you also have the problem with what Old Testament scriptures are going to be used sense the orthodox have even more books in their bible. The Orthodox have 51 vs Catholic 46 OT books .

Also you have the issues of things like the Filioque, Purgatory, Immaculate Conception. Issues that neither side will concede.
Blessings
Bill
 

iamsoandso

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I see this as post tribulation pre wrath in that Jesus told them that he came in the name of the father and they did not receive him then tells them that if another comes in his own name him they would receive, John 5:43 .

Jesus also said to them in Luke 13:35,Matthew 23:39(quote of Psalms 118:26) that they would not see him anymore until they said this to him. In 1 Thess. 4:14-18 Paul gives the order of events at the Lords coming and in 2 Thess. 2 describes this in more detail.

So to me I think that the MoS comes the Jews receive the one who comes in his own name(John 5:43=Rev 13) like Jesus told them and then They say "blessed is he that cometh ect..." and 1 Thess& 2Thess happen as Paul described after they do.
 

VCO

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Brother VCO what if the rapture happens today, right?

Wouldnt that mean the jig is up for the antichrist? Meaning: Nobody would BELIEVE or FALL FOR the antichrist deception? everyone has seen the left behind movie, even many nonchristians know about it. So they would figure "Hey, rapture happened, guy thats coming next is the antichrist, lets not mess with him"

Wouldnt that happen? Who in their right mind would choose the antichrist after seeing the rapture occur? Biggest revival ever.

Its also odd the Bible NEVER gives those left behind advice on what to do if that happens, thats quite a gap.

I know you already said you wont change your views, I respect that, and not typing this to argue, but wanting a response to my question only.
I consider you a brother in Christ


HUH!

YES HE DID, that is what the BOOK OF REVELATION IS ALL ABOUT, from Chapter 4 on.

There are Three groups of SAINTS.

Old Testament SAINTS, CHURCH-AGE SAINTS, and TRIBULATION SAINTS.

Most of the Tribulation Saints are directly attributed to TWO WITNESSES. They CONVERT the WHOLE NATION OF ISRAEL, along with LOTS of Gentiles that were not ready at the RAPTURE. They will all be Martyred SAINTS, of the TRIBULATION PERIOD. The 144,000 Jews will be sealed in their mortal bodies to repopulate ISRAEL, so that GOD's Covenant with ISRAEL will continue for at least a 1000 generations, but I think that is forever until the eternal state commences.
 

VCO

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i live in the EU and i can confirm its a demonic instituion.

They are literally dictating everything to the nation states in the EU. Its like we arent even independent anymore its just EU EU EU EU and their rules.
Even our traditional foods are directed and given an official recipe or else it cant be called that (Now people are doing paper work to change this so they can use their family recipes and sell it at their bakeries with the right name). NO LIE. Thats how petty it is. control freaks.

I agree with almost everything the dc has posted on most subjects, but this subject we are not in agreement on, but we are still friends. I am glad you can see through the EU. Where I get that idea that the REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE, is from DANIEL.

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The feet of that statue is IRON mixed with CLAY, weaker than the ROMAN EMPIRE, The toes represent the final form, the 10 Nation Confederacy. From what you just told me, we will see more nations leave the EU, and remember the Ten horns but 3 will be torn up by their roots. THAT IS EASY TO FIGURE OUT. Remember East Germany was TORN UP BY THE ROOTS, and now it is just Germany.
 

iamsoandso

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I agree with almost everything the dc has posted on most subjects, but this subject we are not in agreement on, but we are still friends. I am glad you can see through the EU. Where I get that idea that the REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE, is from DANIEL.

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The feet of that statue is IRON mixed with CLAY, weaker than the ROMAN EMPIRE, The toes represent the final form, the 10 Nation Confederacy. From what you just told me, we will see more nations leave the EU, and remember the Ten horns but 3 will be torn up by their roots. THAT IS EASY TO FIGURE OUT. Remember East Germany was TORN UP BY THE ROOTS, and now it is just Germany.

I like you spirit VCO in trying to reason things through without differences getting in the way. Something to consider about what you posted is that from Romes dividing (10 horns,toes) three of the nations that held world dominance across history were England,France and Spain. It seems important because from the discovry of the new world(Americas) the thirteen colonies first fought the French Indian war(France), the Revolutionary war(England) and the Spanish American war(Spain) in becoming the super power it is today. And it rose "after" the ten before it as a small horn(13 colonies) and over powered those three then super powers.
 

jb

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1) Born Again Christians will be called to heaven for the WEDDING, before Antichrist is revealed by establishing that 7 year Peace Treaty (70th Week of Daniel), which the Antichrist will break that Peace Treaty, Half Ways through it, by taking over the Third Temple and setting up his throne in the Holy of Holy's.

2) but the Holy Spirit will be taken of this earth {taken out of the way} so that Antichrist can come to FULL POWER. If the Holy Spirit is called back to Heaven for that purpose, THEN WE HAVE TO GO WITH HIM!
You're wrong on both of these points!

1) 2Thess 2v1-3 states: "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

Paul links the 2nd Coming of the Lord Jesus with our gathering together to Him as occurring on the SAME DAY, after Antichrist has been revealed, sitting in the Temple in Jerusalem claiming that he is God, as Matt 24v29-31 declares, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." with Rev 11v15-18.

2) Acts 2v16-21 states: "But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.'"

Joel links this last great outpouring of the Holy Spirit with the days immediately before the 2nd Coming of Christ (24v29-31), this is also shown to be the case as the Two Witness are doing mighty sign, wonder and miracles during the Great Tribulation until they are killed by Antichrist a few days before Christ's 2nd Coming, so your assumption that the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from the earth is completely wrong. The Holy Spirit is upon earth right up until the 2nd Coming of Christ, at which time the Lord Jesus destroys the wicked and takes His people home, and sets up the Millennium Kingdom. Rev 11v15-18 with 1Cor 15v50-54, Matt 13v37-43 (the tares and righteous are upon earth together until the end of the Age when the 2nd Coming of Christ occurs).

I also wish to remind you off the dire warning Our Lord gives at the end of The Revelation of Jesus Christ in Rev 22v18,19!
 
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Do you mean Eastern Orthodox?
The Greek Orthodox is just one piece or part there are several that split in the schism of 1453 .
Rome is currently separated from several churches .
  1. Albania
  2. Bulgaria
  3. Cyprus
  4. the Czech Republic
  5. Georgia
  6. Greece
  7. Poland
  8. Romania
  9. Russia
  10. Serbia
  11. Slovakia
  12. Sinai

All the bishops of these Orthodox Churches are equals. They have no pope only someone called a first among equals that has no ruling authority.

Also in order to reunify the pope of the Catholic Church would have to step down and become a equal among the other bishops. I never see that happening. Then you also have the problem with what Old Testament scriptures are going to be used sense the orthodox have even more books in their bible. The Orthodox have 51 vs Catholic 46 OT books .

Also you have the issues of things like the Filioque, Purgatory, Immaculate Conception. Issues that neither side will concede.
Blessings
Bill
I seen a meeting by the Pope of Roman Catholicism and a Guy they identified they called him the Greek Orthodox POPE....<---have heard this applies to all that are under the Eastern version of Catholicism .......after all Rome did divide into both East and West with two capitols and two Popes.....the end result is BOTH coming under the same banner with ALL of the daughters of both folding in as well........regardless....they were both speaking of reunifying under one banner......
 
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I like you spirit VCO in trying to reason things through without differences getting in the way. Something to consider about what you posted is that from Romes dividing (10 horns,toes) three of the nations that held world dominance across history were England,France and Spain. It seems important because from the discovry of the new world(Americas) the thirteen colonies first fought the French Indian war(France), the Revolutionary war(England) and the Spanish American war(Spain) in becoming the super power it is today. And it rose "after" the ten before it as a small horn(13 colonies) and over powered those three then super powers.
That is a good point.......