End time signs in Amillennialism?

Hevosmies · Feb 6, 2019

To all the amillennialists on this forum I want you to answer me these questions please:

What are the signs of the end?

What to look out for before the return of Jesus Christ?

Are the increasing natural disasters and strange light phenomena in the skies and locust attacks all over the world a sign, OR NOT?

Do you believe in THE antichrist showing up before Jesus? Is that a sign? Or is that also a past event according to you?

- PS: This is NOT a debate thread about premill vs amill. This is a QUESTION to the amillennialists and what they believe about the end times' and its signs!

Ahwatukee · Feb 6, 2019

Hevosmies said:

Hello again Hevosmies,

It is difficult to reason with Amillennialists, as well as preterists and that because they allegorize/spiritualize the events that are meant to be interpreted in the literal sense and thereby distorting the true meaning.

For example, the amillennialist will read the reference to the thousand years mentioned in Rev.20:1-7 and will then apply the figurative meaning from Psalms 50:10 where God says, "for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills." So, instead of interpreting the thousand years as being literal from the context of Rev.20:1-7 which is mentioned six times, in order to support their belief they apply a symbolic meaning to the thousand years and thereby distort the true meaning.

dcontroversal · Feb 6, 2019

Jesus was clear, so was Paul, Peter and John........it is idiotic to believe that the end came and went in 70 A.D.............the bible is to be taken in a literal sense unless CONTEXT dictates other wise........

WHEN you shall see these things come to pass LOOK UP for your redemption draws nigh.........

@Hevosmies ......You know my stance bro.....and I think it is very clear when it is viewed in an honest manner.

Lanolin · Feb 7, 2019

Good questions we will see if any of them answer.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 7, 2019

Lanolin said:

Not likely. According to their take on things we should already be in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

garee · Feb 7, 2019

Hevosmies said:

The sign is a ongoing sign of observation and not a sign as a wonderment or faith principle. Christ did not leave a sign as a wonder.... something looking forward that could be avoided he did leave a exact day, hour, day week etc. It is already working and it will be as recorded in Mathew right up till the last day.

No sign as a wonder as that which a evil generation, natural unconverted man seeks after. Christians walk by faith.

Matthew 24:1-7 King James Version (KJV)And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

It will be business as usually right up until the last day .The last days or last time they began at the renting of the veil They are the days we are living in. Again called the last days or last time. He will come like a thief in the night. Christians have the privilege to watch and wait no one knows the exact time, we walk by faith and not by sight. The kingdom of God does not come by observation.

Matthew 24:37-39 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 7, 2019

garee said:

Not if to believe the book of Revelation. However it will be business as usual until the Resurrection/Rapture.

garee · Feb 7, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

Yes it the last day the last day. We are in the last time awaiting the day of the Lord .6 times in John the Holy Spirit emphasizes the last day . Judgement day for the unbeliever and the receiving of the new incorruptible bodies for those who have born again .The same day the new heavens and earth appear and there will be no more darkness..... all in the twinkling of the eye

Hevosmies · Feb 7, 2019

I will probably die from natural causes before these questions get answered.

Oy vey!

Only reason im asking is because online i've seen MULTIPLE different answers to these questions. Thats a problem.

In MY VIEW, everyone has the SAME answer, because we take it for what it says and dont over-analyze it and over think it, IN MY OPINION!

Chester · Feb 7, 2019

garee said:

The sign is a ongoing sign of observation and not a sign as a wonderment or faith principle. Christ did not leave a sign as a wonder.... something looking forward that could be avoided he did leave a exact day, hour, day week etc. It is already working and it will be as recorded in Mathew right up till the last day.

No sign as a wonder as that which a evil generation, natural unconverted man seeks after. Christians walk by faith.

Matthew 24:1-7 King James Version (KJV)And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

It will be business as usually right up until the last day .The last days or last time they began at the renting of the veil They are the days we are living in. Again called the last days or last time. He will come like a thief in the night. Christians have the privilege to watch and wait no one knows the exact time, we walk by faith and not by sight. The kingdom of God does not come by observation.

Matthew 24:37-39 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I don't really agree with you, but so far you seem to be about the only amillenialist to give any sort of answer.

Journeyman · Feb 7, 2019

Chester said:

The questions have been answered in other threads, but the answers were never looked at. They were simply ignored.

Hevosmies · Feb 7, 2019

Journeyman said:

can you show me the answer, sir? please friend

Journeyman · Feb 8, 2019

Hevosmies said:

It's how they're perceived by us in Christ and not by those without him.

Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst." Lk.17:20-21 (Don't ignore this)

Without Christ, they're not perceived at all. Wars and rumors of wars? False Christ and false prophet? Calamity on earth? Two people and one falls over dead? So what?

"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so too it will be in the days of the Son of Man.
People were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage - right up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all." Lk.17:26-27

Hevosmies said:

Peter cited signs in the heavenly bodies as a current reality,

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come and it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Act.2:20-21

The sun gives us light and the moon relects it and the great and notable day of the Lord is when the Word of the Lord himself came into this world and extends well beyond it. Up until then, the word of the Lord was turned into darkness (and still is) and his prophets were slain (and still are). But when Peter said,

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain, whom God hath raised up
Acts 2:23-24

They called upon the name of the Lord and were saved. (Act.2:37-41)

As for the locusts who sting men 5 months but the men don't die, they wish for death? I don't know what that is. I do know plagues where men aren't killed are for turning to God, not away from him.

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood Rev.6:12

The people of this world said to the mountains, fall on us. In other words, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to see it. I'd rather be dead than repent.

Hevosmies said:

"THE" antichrist? You mean the big one? The baddest one of all? The antichtist to end all antichrists? The one people better bow before, or else, no more foolin around.....they're really gonna get it this time. Is that the one bro?

Hevosmies · Feb 8, 2019

Journeyman said:

Thanks for your answers. Yes i mean that one, THE BIG one indeed.

Man of sin, whatever you wish to call him/it. The character in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and iN revelation 13.

Journeyman · Feb 8, 2019

Hevosmies said:

Yes, I do believe that antichrist comes before Jesus, but antichrist is controlled by Satan, a spirit which rejects Christ and believes himself to be a god. In the simplest terms, that is who and what antichrist is, no matter the scope of influence.
And since this is antichrist, we can see he has existed in some capacity throughout history. The seven headed beast is a good example.

garee · Feb 9, 2019

The bible uses two words, antichrist (singular) and antichrists many (plural) to represent the one beast mankind. Antichrist as the one unseen spirit, the father of lies or the god of this world. He is the spirit or author of another gospel, another mediator other than Christ.

The beast representing mankind as those created from the dust of the field make up the plural form... "antichrists" many. At the time the new testament was written the Bible speaks of many that were here. In 1 John 2 :26-27 he warns of the motive of operation in so much that man seen (like the Pope) must be the teacher and therefore making the promise that Holy Spirit would come to no effect.

It would seem Peter the person the Catholics say is that in which the gates of hell could never prevail against turned things upside down . Peter blasphemed the Son of man, Jesus .Forbidding him from doing the work he came to do, as the things of men influenced by the spirit of the antichrist Satan .Peter was forgiven his blasphemy because the Son of man had not yet departed . to day there is no reason to offend God with the things of men led by the spirit of the antichrist .Satan . we have the Holy Spirit in us as the "things of God".

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: "thou art an offence unto me:" for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16: 22-23

We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Looking outwardly as the temporal for some beast dressed in red before one believes would seem to come from another gospel as the things of men.

The antichrists are still here as another Christ (teaching authority) .

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Lanolin · Feb 9, 2019

garee said:

The sign is a ongoing sign of observation and not a sign as a wonderment or faith principle. Christ did not leave a sign as a wonder.... something looking forward that could be avoided he did leave a exact day, hour, day week etc. It is already working and it will be as recorded in Mathew right up till the last day.

No sign as a wonder as that which a evil generation, natural unconverted man seeks after. Christians walk by faith.

Matthew 24:1-7 King James Version (KJV)And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

It will be business as usually right up until the last day .The last days or last time they began at the renting of the veil They are the days we are living in. Again called the last days or last time. He will come like a thief in the night. Christians have the privilege to watch and wait no one knows the exact time, we walk by faith and not by sight. The kingdom of God does not come by observation.

Matthew 24:37-39 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Garee can you explain the verses in between, the ones you missed out...just would like your perspective on that. Thanks. i understand Jesus was referring to the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple, but it does seem the disciples were asking about two things. Looking at if from a post-temple gentile viewpoint like today, its different though isnt it because none of us live in Judea, at least, I dont! Cant really flee when dont even live there.

garee · Feb 9, 2019

Lanolin said:

I think the promised glory (1 Peter1:11) came at the time of reformation when the veil was rent .The new temples were the Christians that had the Spirit of Christ in them as Him that works in us with us to both will and do His good pleasure.. The literal stones that remained after or before the veil was rent served no real purpose other than a shadow. The earthly Jerusalem the temporal is not the true Holy place the unseen eternal . They were copies of the real not seen. Again the veil was rent. The new restored order had begun it work.

Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mathew 24:16-21

Judea seems to be identified as the mountainous land of Judah . Judah a word with no other meaning attached that means "this time I will praise the Lord". It seems to be a gospel call to all kingdoms as mountains or denominations that name His name.Perhaps the last day has come.

When Leah gave birth to Judah she names him such by saying, "This time I will praise the Lord". It could that she realized that her first three sons weren't going to bring her closer to Jacob, and she should redirect her focus to God and walk by faith the unseen trusting Him alone. Or it could be the last day when the kingdoms as mountains become the kingdoms of God in the new heavens and earth..

Lanolin · Feb 9, 2019

garee said:

I think the promised glory (1 Peter1:11) came at the time of reformation when the veil was rent .The new temples were the Christians that had the Spirit of Christ in them as Him that works in us with us to both will and do His good pleasure.. The literal stones that remained after or before the veil was rent served no real purpose other than a shadow. The earthly Jerusalem the temporal is not the true Holy place the unseen eternal . They were copies of the real not seen. Again the veil was rent. The new restored order had begun it work.

Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mathew 24:16-21

Judea seems to be identified as the mountainous land of Judah . Judah a word with no other meaning attached that means "this time I will praise the Lord". It seems to be a gospel call to all kingdoms as mountains or denominations that name His name.Perhaps the last day has come.

When Leah gave birth to Judah she names him such by saying, "This time I will praise the Lord". It could that she realized that her first three sons weren't going to bring her closer to Jacob, and she should redirect her focus to God and walk by faith the unseen trusting Him alone. Or it could be the last day when the kingdoms as mountains become the kingdoms of God in the new heavens and earth..

Ok not really making much sense but thanks for replying.
If you think the last day has been and gone ok but if so arent we meant to be numbering our years from AD .then its already 2019 unless you think we are in eternity now...? It seems you not really certain about that

obedienttogod · Feb 9, 2019

Hevosmies said:

Today's use of Technology and Algorithms alerted me 20 years ago. It's when I slowly began seeing how we could implant, track, have common knowledge (finances-medical history-etc) that later I recognized in what the RFID Chip Implant was actually designed for...the possible...Mark of the Beast - Number.

And we know scripture states the Beast run this system, that meant the Beast was the system. And the system that controls the RFID Chip Implant, the software design, the Quantum Tech P.C. will be the Beast that runs the one world government, market, medical, military, banking, power to do anything at all. That Implant will be your credit/bank card, your medical insurance scanning card, your drivers license scan (most all vehicles now come equip with a system that can shut your car down while you are in it taking over 100% control - we will need id's to drive vehicles), this Implant will obviously have a scanner and tracking device.

It's how the Adversary plans to control the world into one mind set, while leading them into Battle against God, to literally be slaughtered like helpless incapacitated animals. All for the purpose of stealing those souls, just to be alongside of them suffering for all eternity.

He deserves his END!!

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