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Good morning M,
The above statement was in response to my stating that salvation is earned and is not a gift.
I've stated this before and will do so again....
Salvation is a free.
It cannot be earned.
Ephesians 2:8-9
It is earned by grace through faith.
Siince our faith is a gift,,,salvation is also a gift because it comes from faith.
This is called Justification.
The problem I have with this thread is that there is no distinction made between
Justification
Sanctification
Sanctification IS EARNED.
It's a cooperative effort between man and God. Jesus did His part on the cross, now it's up to us to do our part.
Jesus said:
Mathew 16:24
Discipleship Is Costly
24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
Jesus said the gate is narrow exactly because being a disciple is costly....the wide road is easy.
Many here say they are following Jesus and yet they seem to state that it's OK to be on the wide road simply by not agreeing.
You said it's easy to say Jesus is God....
Shouldn't it be as easy to say Jesus is to be obeyed?
It's the same.
If we want to say we have a relationship with God,,,then we must also accept our part.
It takes two person to create a relationship.....not one walking alone. It's you and Jesus walking together.
John 12:48 Jesus said:
48“He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
1. We must accept Jesus as Savior and not reject Him.
2. We must receive His sayings.
3. His word is what will judge us in the last day. (whether or not we obeyed Him).
The above statement was in response to my stating that salvation is earned and is not a gift.
I've stated this before and will do so again....
Salvation is a free.
It cannot be earned.
Ephesians 2:8-9
It is earned by grace through faith.
Siince our faith is a gift,,,salvation is also a gift because it comes from faith.
This is called Justification.
The problem I have with this thread is that there is no distinction made between
Justification
Sanctification
Sanctification IS EARNED.
It's a cooperative effort between man and God. Jesus did His part on the cross, now it's up to us to do our part.
Jesus said:
Mathew 16:24
Discipleship Is Costly
24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
Jesus said the gate is narrow exactly because being a disciple is costly....the wide road is easy.
Many here say they are following Jesus and yet they seem to state that it's OK to be on the wide road simply by not agreeing.
You said it's easy to say Jesus is God....
Shouldn't it be as easy to say Jesus is to be obeyed?
It's the same.
If we want to say we have a relationship with God,,,then we must also accept our part.
It takes two person to create a relationship.....not one walking alone. It's you and Jesus walking together.
John 12:48 Jesus said:
48“He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
1. We must accept Jesus as Savior and not reject Him.
2. We must receive His sayings.
3. His word is what will judge us in the last day. (whether or not we obeyed Him).
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No gb9.
I don't hope anything I say will be forgotten.
I said:
When we all have PhD's after our names,,,we could begin to discuss the N.T. using the Greek.
Untill then...it's pretty useless except in maybe 2 or 3 cases.
People just use the Greek to TRY to convince others of how smart they are.
Speak of pride...
I don't hope anything I say will be forgotten.
I said:
When we all have PhD's after our names,,,we could begin to discuss the N.T. using the Greek.
Untill then...it's pretty useless except in maybe 2 or 3 cases.
People just use the Greek to TRY to convince others of how smart they are.
Speak of pride...
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BTW
When do you discern Jesus became fully God and fuly man on earth? From birth, or at his baptism? Only if Jesus was fully God and fully man from birth, he would alre
The people who want to discuss trinity so much are always the immature in the faith, seen it over years on debating websites. Those who are more mature, and have discernment tend not to discuss it. Neither you, mailmandan, vco, nor anyone else I have placed on ignore(I checked) could answer those two simple questions yesterday could you. How do you expect to understand trinity if you cannot answer such simple questions?
So lets see. I told someone yesterday the Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ, or we can say, the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ. That is what you believe isn't it. So we both agree as to the essence of Christ. Now if the person I told that to had discernment, they would have been content with it, but alas. However, I will go the extra mile for you this once. As you have read the bible for 18 years you know the Holy Spirit descended on Christ in bodily form/shape at his baptism. So, we can say the fullness of the diety was in Christ during his earthly ministry, or God was fully in Christ during his earthly ministry. So we both agree as to the essence of Christ, now in heaven and when he walked this earth don't we. That leaves his title. So in your view, after reading the bible for 18 years and with the discernment you have, if someone agrees with you as to the essence of Christ, what title must they give him to be in a saved state according to what is written all over the new testament?
When do you discern Jesus became fully God and fuly man on earth? From birth, or at his baptism? Only if Jesus was fully God and fully man from birth, he would alre
The people who want to discuss trinity so much are always the immature in the faith, seen it over years on debating websites. Those who are more mature, and have discernment tend not to discuss it. Neither you, mailmandan, vco, nor anyone else I have placed on ignore(I checked) could answer those two simple questions yesterday could you. How do you expect to understand trinity if you cannot answer such simple questions?
So lets see. I told someone yesterday the Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ, or we can say, the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ. That is what you believe isn't it. So we both agree as to the essence of Christ. Now if the person I told that to had discernment, they would have been content with it, but alas. However, I will go the extra mile for you this once. As you have read the bible for 18 years you know the Holy Spirit descended on Christ in bodily form/shape at his baptism. So, we can say the fullness of the diety was in Christ during his earthly ministry, or God was fully in Christ during his earthly ministry. So we both agree as to the essence of Christ, now in heaven and when he walked this earth don't we. That leaves his title. So in your view, after reading the bible for 18 years and with the discernment you have, if someone agrees with you as to the essence of Christ, what title must they give him to be in a saved state according to what is written all over the new testament?
A gift is something freely given by one party to another. The gift element is the part that is not earnt or expected.
But this does not mean the gift itself does not have obligations and effort involved with it.
Parents give to their children gifts of education courses, adventures, tickets to travel etc.
This does not mean the children can do what they like, but rather an opportunity is provided which otherwise would
not be there.
Somehow in your thinking you have said these realities regarding a gift invalidate its reality.
If I was given a parachute jump gift, and then refused to jump, am I accepting the gift or if I complain its not a gift
because I do not want to jump out of a plane, am I being reasonable?
We are disqualified to be with God. But He has opened the door if we are prepared to accept the conditions.
There are those who believe all will eventually go to heaven, they just need enough opportunities.
Even this is a conditional gift, based on taking the opportunity.
If you opened the door, and all were forced in, that is an unconditional gift, given to all. Gods unconditional gift
to man is life, the breathing and experience we have every day.
But this does not mean the gift itself does not have obligations and effort involved with it.
Parents give to their children gifts of education courses, adventures, tickets to travel etc.
This does not mean the children can do what they like, but rather an opportunity is provided which otherwise would
not be there.
Somehow in your thinking you have said these realities regarding a gift invalidate its reality.
If I was given a parachute jump gift, and then refused to jump, am I accepting the gift or if I complain its not a gift
because I do not want to jump out of a plane, am I being reasonable?
We are disqualified to be with God. But He has opened the door if we are prepared to accept the conditions.
There are those who believe all will eventually go to heaven, they just need enough opportunities.
Even this is a conditional gift, based on taking the opportunity.
If you opened the door, and all were forced in, that is an unconditional gift, given to all. Gods unconditional gift
to man is life, the breathing and experience we have every day.
I went through the same thing with drugs.
Backslidden in every way, yet still believed with all my heart.
The problem is, loving the Lord is defined for us, in the scriptures. Our circumstances or failures don’t change the truth of the scriptures.
God loves us no matter how we feel or act, and is ready with open arms to welcome us back... if we repent.
The prodigal son as well as the parable of the lost sheep is clear about this.
If we wander away from Him and become lost, He is waiting for the day we we return to Him in repentance. All heaven will rejoice in that day.
Never the less, the other side of the proverbial coin is, we must choose to repent, and return or remain lost.
God will not force us to repent.
JPT
Backslidden in every way, yet still believed with all my heart.
The problem is, loving the Lord is defined for us, in the scriptures. Our circumstances or failures don’t change the truth of the scriptures.
God loves us no matter how we feel or act, and is ready with open arms to welcome us back... if we repent.
The prodigal son as well as the parable of the lost sheep is clear about this.
If we wander away from Him and become lost, He is waiting for the day we we return to Him in repentance. All heaven will rejoice in that day.
Never the less, the other side of the proverbial coin is, we must choose to repent, and return or remain lost.
God will not force us to repent.
JPT
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I have to be honest here...
I could not careless where I was , what thread I was on , I would be willing to shout from the rooftops that JESUS IS GOD
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There are many things in here that have been spoken off , even some have derailed the thread , but no one would ever mind proclaiming Jesus as God , it is a beautiful thing to claim...xox...
I could not careless where I was , what thread I was on , I would be willing to shout from the rooftops that JESUS IS GOD
...There are many things in here that have been spoken off , even some have derailed the thread , but no one would ever mind proclaiming Jesus as God , it is a beautiful thing to claim...xox...
God bless
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Who is YOU PEOPLE?
I thought we all belonged to the same Church...or Body of Christ.
And who is a hypocrite?
Those that say they are saved but it's not necessary to obey God...
John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Or those who are saying to obey God and are doing their best to do so?
Mathew 13:25
For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
A hypocrite is simply a person that says one thing and does another.
Claims that he says to obey God...but then fights it all the way.
I thought we all belonged to the same Church...or Body of Christ.
And who is a hypocrite?
Those that say they are saved but it's not necessary to obey God...
John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Or those who are saying to obey God and are doing their best to do so?
Mathew 13:25
For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
A hypocrite is simply a person that says one thing and does another.
Claims that he says to obey God...but then fights it all the way.
So in your view John was a hypocrite, as he said behaviour shows we know God or we do not.
But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
1 John 2:5-6
So if we do not walk as Jesus did, we do not know God.
I hope you see John is showing there is an impossible to break link between knowing God and behaviour.
But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
1 John 2:5-6
So if we do not walk as Jesus did, we do not know God.
I hope you see John is showing there is an impossible to break link between knowing God and behaviour.