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Hevosmies

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Goodnewsman said:
I have spent the last several hours praying about this so what I say I do not say lightly. I have never done anything like this before especially online, but I must obey what I feel in my heart. I have already been told that many of you will disagree and laugh at me..... But again I don't care that is a price I'm willing to pay.

I Speak today to anyone who has disagreed with me over the last several days but especially to
dictator Decon......E G or eternally grateful........... BUDMAN......VCO.....HV something,......... The fact that you could not sense that I was led here to help you............just like Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollo's and showed him the way more perfectly, says a lot to me about your spiritual condition you have ears but you will not hear me. Anyone reading my post should have felt something in their heart and said yes, yes this too is truth. But not you, you have Harden your heart and stiffened your necks. Henceforth I have been told to demand... Yea command, everyone who stands in disagreement with me...... Do not ever address me on this forum any longer..... I hate to do this I don't want to do this, but I must!! do not ever talk to me again. You have had your time to learn but you have refused. From this day forward.......I have been told to Warn all of you that disagree with me that even if you try to address me on this form again that the isolation, devastation and destruction found in the book of Naomi 3: 2 -12 will then be placed upon your heads and it will soon become your isolation desolation and destruction....... Laugh..... Make fun of me but you have been warned!
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Book of Naomi? what in the world is that? Sounds like some mormon book or something, maybe it is?

I knew something was wrong with you a long time ago. So your vain threats dont scare me one bit. After all i've been through in my life some fake prophet is nothing to me. Bwahahaha. But I guess if that makes you feel important.

Btw guys, have you noticed how all these fake prophets use the king Jimmy english? its par for the course. They use weord like "demand, yea command!" using the KJV english of "yea, what cleansing" etc. They also use the Thus sayeth the Lord, then proceed to lie in the name of the Lord.

This guy is the guy who was "rescuing" people from baptist churches? Well now we know that he was indeed robbing the sheep from those churches and leading them to follow him as a cult leader.. As I expected, but I didnt say, I said its either or, now its confirmed!
 
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cv5 said:
My friend, one should reconsider fealty to the RC religion if for no other reason than the Popes demand for the fervent adherence to the doctrine of Mariolatry.
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GG101 is not a RC. There is though a lot of depth to what is offered and delivered.

And that is the problem, so much error wrapped with so much beauty and trappings of wealth and power.
Mariolatry and all the superstition and insanity, romanticises faith into a weird religious dance, where the
truth is lost. But also God moves and brings about blessing. And the pope, such a contradiction.
But the church is falling apart. Sexual abuse scandle is as deep as I suspected, celebacy without reality.

I met a woman in here 80's who described she had be converted out of methodism.
Heart reality and outward ceremony is a tension for all of us.
 
Hevosmies

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Has everyone noticed that the groups who teach a losable doityourself IKEA salvation are almost ALWAYS involved in some major false doctrine? JWs, mormons, catholics, WoF, etc.

EDIT: I looked it up. The book of Naomi which Badnewsman threatens us with is indeed a MORMON book. You just knew something was wrong the way he kept going on and on about Judas against clear texts. HERETIC!
Mormons dont believe the trinity last time I checked. So glad that cat is out the bag.

Now we just got to get Silas to answer if he believes Jesus is God. I can almost bet everything I own which is nothing, that he is another one fo these guys, because what Christian has trouble admiting Jesus is God straight away?
 
Budman

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Book of Naomi? what in the world is that? Sounds like some mormon book or something, maybe it is?

I knew something was wrong with you a long time ago. So your vain threats dont scare me one bit. After all i've been through in my life some fake prophet is nothing to me. Bwahahaha. But I guess if that makes you feel important.

Btw guys, have you noticed how all these fake prophets use the king Jimmy english? its par for the course. They use weord like "demand, yea command!" using the KJV english of "yea, what cleansing" etc. They also use the Thus sayeth the Lord, then proceed to lie in the name of the Lord.

This guy is the guy who was "rescuing" people from baptist churches? Well now we know that he was indeed robbing the sheep from those churches and leading them to follow him as a cult leader.. As I expected, but I didnt say, I said its either or, now its confirmed!
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Looks like the "prophet" got banned.
 
FollowHisSteps

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Budman said:
Yes, that's why I oppose you.
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So you oppose aiming at perfection?
"Aim for perfection" 2 cor 13:11

And you believe I am a lost sinner bound to sin.
Now for my part, I do not oppose people, I just share the gospel and Gods word.

It is little wonder so many hate Jesus's words and feel condemned. It is how we know we
need to repent and get right, take His yoke upon our lives and follow Him.

But as this is all I share, and you oppose me, you do not follow Jesus, because that is what
I am sharing.

Do you want to be perfect?
It seems not, so then no heaven, because heaven is the place where perfection lives.
 
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I can't find it. Got a link?
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Mormon book, i have one at home but i will not be home until saterday, it makes alot of sense though, as to why he believes the way he does. Never would have suspected him to be mormon though
 
Budman

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FollowHisSteps said:
So you oppose aiming at perfection?
"Aim for perfection" 2 cor 13:11

And you believe I am a lost sinner bound to sin.
Now for my part, I do not oppose people, I just share the gospel and Gods word.

It is little wonder so many hate Jesus's words and feel condemned. It is how we know we
need to repent and get right, take His yoke upon our lives and follow Him.

But as this is all I share, and you oppose me, you do not follow Jesus, because that is what
I am sharing.

Do you want to be perfect?
It seems not, so then no heaven, because heaven is the place where perfection lives.
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I oppose the fact that by your own efforts you "aim" to be perfect. We have already been made perfect, holy, and righteous through justification.
 
GodsGrace101

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eternally-gratefull said:
Seems to be a trait which is common among workers for.
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Not only Catholics are saved.....

CCC no. 1271

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."


Also see Lumen Gentium
paragraph 15

15. The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter.

(14*) For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (15*) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities.

Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God.(16*) They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power.

Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. In all of Christ's disciples the Spirit arouses the desire to be peacefully united, in the manner determined by Christ, as one flock under one shepherd, and He prompts them to pursue this end. (17*) Mother Church never ceases to pray, hope and work that this may come about. She exhorts her children to purification and renewal so that the sign of Christ may shine more brightly over the face of the earth.

source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...s/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

What is Lumen Gentium:

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
LUMEN GENTIUM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964



Could we end this dumb discussion now?
Posters here do NOT know Catholic doctrine.
 
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GodsGrace101 said:
Not only Catholics are saved.....

CCC no. 1271

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."


Also see Lumen Gentium
paragraph 15

15. The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter.

(14*) For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (15*) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities.

Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God.(16*) They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power.

Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. In all of Christ's disciples the Spirit arouses the desire to be peacefully united, in the manner determined by Christ, as one flock under one shepherd, and He prompts them to pursue this end. (17*) Mother Church never ceases to pray, hope and work that this may come about. She exhorts her children to purification and renewal so that the sign of Christ may shine more brightly over the face of the earth.

source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...s/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

What is Lumen Gentium:

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
LUMEN GENTIUM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964



Could we end this dumb discussion now?
Posters here do NOT know Catholic doctrine.
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"HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI"

Most persons here understand the profound folly of this assertion.....
 
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Be perfect, therefore as you heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48
Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you Matt 5:44

I do not like the word perfect, because to me it means the best in everything.
But God means being a reflection of the Fathers nature.

This is Gods perfection, which is not ours.
It is why we have to change, learn, repent, walk, persevere, become victorious,
overcome and we will find we are transformed, new people, a new creation, born
into the Kingdom.
 
Budman

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GodsGrace101 said:
"For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."
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Um, then that EXCLUDES the followers of all other religions. Are Muslims baptized? Hindus? Buddhists?

I swear, what is it with you guys who seem to not actually read what you post?
 
GodsGrace101

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Budman said:
Um, then that EXCLUDES the followers of all other religions. Are Muslims baptized? Hindus? Buddhists?

I swear, what is it with you guys who seem to not actually read what you post?
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You could read B,
Read.

I didn't post it for BUDDHISTS or MUSLIMS.

I posted it because YOU posted 1179 which does not tell the whole story.
The CCC is not something easily usable and that one goes to for ONE PARAGRAPH.
Do you know Catholic theology?
Then fahget abaut it.
 
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Budman said:
I oppose the fact that by your own efforts you "aim" to be perfect. We have already been made perfect, holy, and righteous through justification.
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Odd. "Aim for perfection" 2 cor 13:11

This is Paul sharing His heart. So you do not agree with Paul, the apostle.
And when I last looked, I was not yet like Jesus. So the gap between where I am and where I want to be
needs work. Sounds like you are not willing to learn, obey or be taught by God. You know what that means?
 
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