Don't confuse believing the gospel and becoming saved with ongoing sanctification which follows.
It IS shoe-horning acts of obedience/works "into" salvation through faith when the end result is salvation by faith + works.
Salvation is by faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 A free gift of God and which only HE can accomplish.
Salvation is kept by obeying God.
Deuteronomy 11:26 "Obey and you will be blessed. "
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According to
Holman's Illustrated Bible Dictionary a succinct definition of
biblical obedience is "to hear God's Word and act accordingly."
Eerdman's Bible Dictionary states,
"True 'hearing,' or obedience, involves the physical hearing that inspires the hearer, and a belief or trust that in turn motivates the hearer to act in accordance with the speaker's desires."
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In Jesus Christ we find the perfect model of obedience.
As his disciples, we follow Christ's example as well as his commands. Our motivation for obedience is love:
If you love me, you will keep my commandments. (John 14:15,
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And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to
give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be
a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him. (Romans 12:1,
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Jesus replied,
"But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice."
Luke 11:28
source:
https://www.thoughtco.com/obedience-to-god-701962
If you can believe that, then you can believe anything!
Could you please tag the member and name the person on this thread that you believe is teaching salvation by works....Thanks.
Believe is
not defined "as" obedience/works. Just because obeying is a manifestation of believing
does not mean that believing is defined "as" multiple acts of obedience/works. Disobedience is also a manifestation of unbelief, yet unbelief is
not defined "as" multiple acts of disobedience. Roman Catholics (as do all works-salvationists) make the error of defining faith "as" obedience/works. Here is an example below from a statement made by a Roman Catholic:
We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father etc..
Of course, that statement above is absolutely
FALSE and is a good example of "shoe horning" works "into" salvation through faith and the end result is salvation by faith + works.
Please stop talking about your Catholic aquaintences. I don't know why you do.
Perhaps you miss the catholic church?
We are NOT discussing the CC.
pisteuo (pronounced pist-yoo'-o) from 4102;
to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):--believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G4100/pisteuo.htm
Strong's #4102: pistis (pronounced pis'-tis) from 3982;
persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:--assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G4102/pistis.htm
You seem to get confused when comparing
pistis and pisteuo with apethieo. I often hear works-salvationists quote John 3:36 in the NASB and "stress" the word "obey" to imply that we are saved "by" obedience/works and end up basically defining believe "as" obedience/works. In regards to "does not obey the Son" in the New American Standard translation of the Bible, this does not mean that receiving eternal life is received based on the merits of our obedience/works which follows believing in the Son, but
obey by choosing to believe in the Son. If John wanted to make obedience the central theme in salvation here, he would have said: "He who believes
and obeys the Son has eternal life," but that is not what John said.
To obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that
"believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says
"rejects the Son" and the CSB says,
"refuses to believe in the Son." The Greek word translated as "believeth not" in that verse is
apeitheo and it means:
"not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving." Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "
to disbelieve willfully and perversely." In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to
reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son.
I really don't care to discuss the Greek language MMD.
How about exegeting the verses in ENGLISH?
No matter which bible version you use...the result is the same...
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Hebrews 10:26-31
26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on
the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE ISMINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.”
31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 
