Not By Works

[FollowHisSteps]

when you say someone HAS to sin everyday, or they MUST sin everyday.......that doesn't leave much of an option.

God plainly said (i have quoted several times) that "with every temptation he will provide an escape"

why now instead of asking, like i was earlier, "WHAT SINS DO I COMMIT EVERYDAY?"
The question should be "when tempted, what sins do you refuse to take God's escape route?"

BTW: I thought it funny when you said the following "no option? When did we say this. You like tryng to tell us what we are saying don’t you?"

by the end of your post your telling me what i'm thinking.........kinda funny how we humans are. LoL
i'm sure i've done the same thing as well

"Again, your thinking of overt sins, we are not thinking of overt sins, thats why you can not comprehend what we are saying "

Welcome to the round robin, with any random element of response, denial of what is said, and
accusations of anything that comes to mind.

Who is more guilty of encouraging this, the listener or the giver? I just like the pop-corn, bit like
the keystone cops of the silent movie period.....

 

[FollowHisSteps]

In other words you can not answer
You refuse to answer if you think you can lose salvation
And you refuse to show me in my belief where i got it wrong
Funny, this same thing happend last time we met. Seems to be a repeating thing.

The great thing about following Jesus we do not have to prove anything, He asks
us to let Him show Himself to us. If we refuse to listen or jump to the wrong conclusions
it is on us.

So I am happy you believe what you believe. I believe the cross declares the impossible,
we can walk like Jesus through following His ways and believing Him. As an unbeleiver,
it is impossible to realise this reality, which is why we know we know God.

Faith comes before realisation, the horse before the cart, so declared disbelief comes before
failure and unfulfilled spiritual experience. I doubt you have had this before, but who am I
to know, I am not you..... lol This is a commentary and not expecting any response or
wanting any.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

You still have to get the wood to the splitter, so might need my skid steer loader to haul it out of the woods, then bucket the splits to the house. Those hydrolic splitters just don't seem to hit where my axe would, even though I've cut it all to length. I can't blame that machine. I aim to provide some perfect backlogs, but the splitter is waiting for a quicker decision than I like. I suppose the lesson is not to let anything get you in a hurry for quality.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

what do yo mean "claimed he was dead?"

The Father also said "he was lost" would you use the word "CLAIMED" here as well?

When was the son dead?
How can a dead man go home?


i saw your other post i also know what the word dead means

but i refuse to build a theology around one word...

I do my best to look at the scriptures in their entirety and pray for discernment

i pray for God to show me what He wants me to see


as for backsliding or lost
yes i believe this is also an example of a true son

spoiling his blessings for fleshly pleasures

losing all he has

hitting rock bottom

eating with pigs
(from a culture which also views pigs as unclean.... he is the lowest of the low)

but knowing his fathers compassion

goes back to his father with a heart purposed to ask for forgiveness ... to be a servant and not a son (from a culture of people who believe they can earn forgiveness)

but he does not make it to his father
or say sorry before his father runs to HIM and kisses him and embraces him.... how did his father see him? was he looking for a dead man?


this can be likened to the parable just before it where the shepard went to find His sheep

 

[Godandguns]

@Godandguns my apologies i work many hours and just got scolded for being on my phone

i need to go for awhile

i will respond as quickly as i am able

LOL....I certainly understand that

 

[dcontroversal]

I would Hope after the beating prayer for healing would have followed.

How can you get a new card after 15 minutes?
We have to wait a week over here.

I'm using my phone more and more now to pay.
I'm waiting for the new range of hybrid watches to come out.
You can use the watch to pay.
By that I don't mean trade the watch but show it to scanner thingy.

My bank does your new card while you wait...takes about 15 minutes......haha

Oh my gosh!
It's stupendous.
And it's sooooo big....it must look scary in a way.

Not really.....the pattern changed continuously.....was awesome....called Vivid Sydney....all buildings in both harbours lit up with laser shows....

 

[justpassinthrough]

what do yo mean "claimed he was dead?"

The Father also said "he was lost" would you use the word "CLAIMED" here as well?

You see how those who are driven by a false perception through the stronghold in their will deny and twist and slander you in their desperate attempt to stop the light of the truth from shining on the darkness of their mind.


God bless you warrior of God.


These folks are deceived.



JPT

 

[Godandguns]

Welcome to the round robin, with any random element of response, denial of what is said, and
accusations of anything that comes to mind.

Who is more guilty of encouraging this, the listener or the giver? I just like the pop-corn, bit like
the keystone cops of the silent movie period.....

LOL....Seems like a lot of hostility here...i have lots of friends who believe OSAS. but we don't argue and name call......we have fun with it but no anger. After we disagree we shake hands, hug necks and I may whisper "you know your wrong" sarcastically LOL

 

[dcontroversal]

I think some of the "new" members are actually "old" members resurrected!

I would fully agree.....in the premium lounge Dallas international airport on the way to Sydney.....everyone pray I do not end up as crab bait and get back safely April 7th hahahhah

 

[dcontroversal]

LOL....Seems like a lot of hostility here...i have lots of friends who believe OSAS. but we don't argue and name call......we have fun with it but no anger. After we disagree we shake hands, hug necks and I may whisper "you know your wrong" sarcastically LOL

I will take 10 to 1 odds on the last line being wrong

 

[dcontroversal]

You have no idea what the two natures are, do ya?



Read Romans 7:14-25 when ya get a chance.

I do and they both vie for control........thank God the one in me is greater than the one in the world!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Gee,,,what a relief!
I don't know if I could stand not being told I twist scripture at least 5X a day.
BTW,,, Aussie is on the other side of the world. Everything is the opposite there...
Maybe you'll start understanding scripture the right way by thinking the opposite!
yeah.

You just keep in thinkin your all that and a bag of chips...hah hilarious

 

[dcontroversal]

We are in the flesh. We still have the "Old Man", which means we will still sin. Yet, we have been declared holy, righteous, perfect, and sinless by God.

How can that be?

The two natures. The "Flesh" and our New Nature in Christ. That's also why the Bible says a believer does not sin, nor can he. That is speaking of the New Nature. If not, none of us would be saved.

Get it now, Chubby Checker?

Hajhahaja love it....Ole Chubs.....he loved the twist

 

[Godandguns]

I will take 10 to 1 odds on the last line being wrong

LOL. i promise you, you would lose........many of us have worked together for years. gone to each other's church for revivals etc.
Don't get me wrong, i also know it is easy to type things over the internet and say things "in a tone" you might not say in person......to be honest overall i love the debate and the back and forth...............if you promise not to tell them......i have learned somethings from them. LOL

 

[UnderGrace]

Jesus didn't hang on that cross so you could believe it's OK to sin every day because everybody sins every day...he came to change you internally so you won't be likely to sin.

The flesh is not being redeemed in case that is what you mean here.

 

[dcontroversal]

If you steal, you are a thief. If you kill, you are a murderer. If you lie, you are a liar. If you sin, you are a sinner.

"Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." (James 4:17)

And just as the sin of divination is called rebellion in 1 Samuel 15:23, so are all other sins. By sinning, you are rebelling against God's order - His rules, His commandments. You are opposing them when you choose to sin.

There is not a just man on the earth that does good and sins not....end of story

 

[FollowHisSteps]

In counselling there is a condition called co-dependency.

A victim is abused by the perpetrator. All the blame is put on the evil perpetrator.
As people understand the relationship it is actually both, and the perpetrator needs
the victim to validate their behaviour and existence.

I suspect without people to bash, provoke, be extreme with, part of the whole identity,
mission etc would be missing. You notice it is families. A disfunctional child will enrage
about a parent and blame horrendous things about them, but outside the family, silence.
And if the parent is removed, total shock and withdrawal.

Why is this a system of behaviour? Because time after time the same cycles recurr with the
same arguments and the same baiting, and people getting upset. Just a thought, but like
a lot of things once you know how to handle dangerous animals, they can be quite tame, lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

please notice the word "dead" in Luke 15

Luke 15:24 (KJV)
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Greek Strong's Number: 3498
Greek Word: νεκρός
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Pronunciation:

nek-ros'
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV)
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

it is the same word used in every one of these passages as well

So notice the word dead

But ignore the word son..

John said people are given right to become children of god by recieving him, in faith

Did the child stop believing his father was his dad?

 

[dcontroversal]

How often a day do you not choose the way of escape?

Hahahahha.....why does a Catholic go to confession??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Welcome to the round robin, with any random element of response, denial of what is said, and
accusations of anything that comes to mind.

Who is more guilty of encouraging this, the listener or the giver? I just like the pop-corn, bit like
the keystone cops of the silent movie period.....

Your one to talk dude

Your fine until people ask you certain questions, then you run,

Can you answer my question yet?