Appears the rapture is happening, "The dead in Christ shall rise first,"

[garee]

I believe you are very confused about this subject. Take some time to study it with the help of one who knows the Bible.

"The dead in Christ shall rise first." This will be a part of FUTURE the Resurrection/Rapture.

The Amil position seems to work the best for me.

The dead asleep in Christ will rise first as one work in the twinkling of the eye on the "last day" . The new creatures that were reining with Christ on earth will be caught up together and receive the promise of their new bodies a Christ's eternal bride.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

 

[stillness]

You have only comprehended partially what Jesus said and it has nothing to do with the so called "rapture".

That qualifies me to keep learning, "If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should." If we think we know we stop learning.

 

[stillness]

Not sure what you meant? (mature saints will rise first)

The mature saints:
Those who have been judged by God and sentenced to death with Him.
"Let us go on to perfection," being "The dead in Christ shall rise first," as what is happening now:
There is much evidence of this in the bible and I have a 2 hour study concerning this if your interested, have not posted the update yet.
The ones who have entered the wisdom of God. The ones who have entered into rest in God.
The ones who can say "Its no longer I that lives but Christ."
The ones who don't take their will back, but stay on the cross with Christ, and the women and children who: Stay on the Rock.
Women and children don't have to fight in the last battle., they can sit back and watch.

 

[Ahwatukee]

These have been cough up to God and return with Him to testify and stand with Him in the last battle. "And we witch are alive and remain shall be cough up together with them. I have the impression that the door is about to close for the wise virgins to enter at least for me, that's the case, to pursue the Christ with my whole heart now.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j_JAZOHV-I> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5WJ_0Y1HdE> there are at lest 10 more videos by this man that should come up as suggestions.
Here are 2 acounts from others, I could go on but the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses is enough.
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Greetings stillness!

You do well by pursuing Christ will your whole heart, as should all believers. However, no one has yet been resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies. And none of the living in Christ has been changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and caught up.

First of all, according to scripture, the resurrection of the church and the living in Christ being changed and caught up, will take place as a group event. Those who have died in Christ will be resurrected first, then those in Christ who are still alive will be changed in a atomos (too short a time to divide) and caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At that point, the entire church will be present from beginning to the end and will meet the Lord in the air. Then, in fulfillment of John 14:1-3, the Lord will take His church/bride back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, that where He is, we may be also.

The entire event will most likely take place in a nano-second. The people of the earth will know that some event has taken place, because there will be a great number of people missing world wide.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Adversity is also confirmation, "All that live godly shall suffer persecution,"
Only the wise virgin would understand...

That is correct! Jesus said that believers would suffer trials and tribulation, which they have been since the on-set of the church until the present. However, what believers will not suffer is the coming wrath of God, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Therefore, the church must first be gathered according to the Lord's promise and then God's wrath will ensue.

 

[stillness]

I believe you are very confused about this subject. Take some time to study it with the help of one who knows the Bible.

"The dead in Christ shall rise first." This will be a part of FUTURE the Resurrection/Rapture.

When the number of these who overcome is fulfilled the end will come. "Many are called but few are chosen." There is no need to convince others, we could not. The called that are chosen are faithful, to seek the Lord first: to be in that number that shall rise first. "Creation groans and travails, waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God." And we know that all things work together for good to them that Love God," Even those who are contrary encourage, as it's supposed to happen.

 

[stillness]

Look around you at those being caught up to God, as any one watched the videos?...

 

[stillness]

Greetings stillness!

You do well by pursuing Christ will your whole heart, as should all believers. However, no one has yet been resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies. And none of the living in Christ has been changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and caught up.

First of all, according to scripture, the resurrection of the church and the living in Christ being changed and caught up, will take place as a group event. Those who have died in Christ will be resurrected first, then those in Christ who are still alive will be changed in a atomos (too short a time to divide) and caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At that point, the entire church will be present from beginning to the end and will meet the Lord in the air. Then, in fulfillment of John 14:1-3, the Lord will take His church/bride back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, that where He is, we may be also.

The entire event will most likely take place in a nano-second. The people of the earth will know that some event has taken place, because there will be a great number of people missing world wide.

Interesting how your saying the same thing differently, Some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God

 

[stillness]

The Amil position seems to work the best for me.

The dead asleep in Christ will rise first as one work in the twinkling of the eye on the "last day" . The new creatures that were reining with Christ on earth will be caught up together and receive the promise of their new bodies a Christ's eternal bride.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

Your view would seem to give more time to prepare, but somehow think we are running out of time, some have been shown that time ran out and waiting for the number of those who overcome to be fulfilled.

 

[Jackson123]

"rapture" occurred in the 1st century AD.

Did Jesus appear in the cloud in the first century?

Rapture happen after great tribulation

In the great tribulation no body can buy or sale without the mark of the beast. Wast that happen in the first century?

 

[stillness]

The Amil position seems to work the best for me.

The dead asleep in Christ will rise first as one work in the twinkling of the eye on the "last day" . The new creatures that were reining with Christ on earth will be caught up together and receive the promise of their new bodies a Christ's eternal bride.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

It's possible there is a different meaning between "Them witch are asleep." and "The dead in Christ shall rise first," its also possible that I'm wrong. But why then are people who have died to their old life to seek the Lord with their whole heart, experiencing being caught up to God? This is not an isolated incident and many sent back from the dead to testify; did not include those accounts as the ones visited by the Lord while awake are more relevant to the point. Not just sent back to testify and told your work is not done, but the Lord visiting those seeking Him with the whole heart, and this includes women and children as well. Good question isn't it? Is it not because we are near the end, or at the end of time; entering the time of trouble: to prepare us, "We which are alive and remain, to be caught up together with them." Tel me if you can lol. lol. "At midnight there was a cry, behold the bridegroom comes, go out to meet Him."

 

[MattforJesus]

Some people think the resurrection already happened in the first century, but if that is the case then it would of been the end back in the first century, and the saints would be in the New Jerusalem.

Some people think the millennial reign is spiritual, but if that is the case then why is it 1000 years when Jesus has been ruling ever since He ascended to heaven which is more than 1000 years, for He said all power was given to Him in heaven and earth, and He is the head of all principality, and power, and how is Jesus ruling on earth if people were still disobedient from the time of the first century until now.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

When the resurrection happens it is the end, and all authority and power is put down on earth, but there is still authority and power on earth among the wicked over other people, so the resurrection could of not happened in the first century.

Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are.

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

There is only 2 resurrections, one of the saints, and one of the dead after that, and when the resurrection happens then no Gentile can be saved after that, but the Gentiles still have salvation available to them for Israel is still blinded in part, for Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.

So the resurrection could of not happened in the first century.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

The millennial reign is on earth when the heathen shall not acknowledge any other god, or religious figure, but Jesus, and they are all going by the truth of God, and the heathen have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the LORD.

And when this happens God has ended all sin on earth, but there are still people sinning on earth, and that never occurred in the past where the whole earth only acknowledged the LORD, and no falseness.

It is an improper foundation that the resurrection happened in the first century, and that Jesus will not rule on earth in the future, and they try to fit scriptures in to that improper foundation.

 

[Adstar]

I'm not sure if those are deliberate errors or typos.

It is "caught up together", and THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED AS YET. And no witches will be welcome.

Heyyyyy i am sure some former witches will be welcomed..

 

[NayborBear]

I "witch" you wood make up you're mine, as to, "which witch, is which witch."

Ya sea?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

"rapture" occurred in the 1st century AD.

Luke 21: 5-9 "Jesus Foretell Destruction of the Temple"
Do most here believe these verses talk of destruction of the Second Temple or of a still future temple?

Luke 21: 20-24 "Jesus Foretell Destruction of Jerusalem"
Do most here believe these verses talk of the First Roman-Jewish Warr (66-73AD) or of a still future event?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Interesting how your saying the same thing differently, Some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God

As I have stated before, the scripture that you quoted above has nothing to do with the end of the age, but with a prophesy that Jesus gave regarding those who were standing there (Peter, John and James), with the fulfillment of that prophesy taking place a week later when they saw Jesus in His glorified state, i.e. the Son of Man coming in His glory.

The resurrection of the dead and those living who are changed and caught up, is referring to the gathering of the church, the blessed hope. The scripture that you are referring to has nothing to do with that event.

Prophesy = Some who are standing here will not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God come with power

Prophesy fulfilled = About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took with Him Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white.

 

[garee]

The mature saints:
Those who have been judged by God and sentenced to death with Him.

And the immature or baby saints still on milk? Not sure about sentenced with him means?

Believers have passed from death to new spirit life they will not be judged on the last day in respect to the second death but rather will arise to receive the promised new incorruptible body. Jesus entered a world that had already been judged witnessed by corruption God have corrupting it as judgement .(the wrath of God revealed form heaven) He came in respect to the second death. There will be no re-trial for the first death. No double jeopardy.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.And this is the condemnation, that "light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil" John 3;17-19

"Let us go on to perfection," being "The dead in Christ shall rise first," as what is happening now:

Yes the door to the ressurection is still open .It will be closed on the last day. When those asleep from the beginning of the opening, the renting of the veil or time of reformation, and those left on earth reigning with Christ in them on that last day . In the twinkling of a eye will both receive their promised new bodies as the eternal bride of Christ. .

here is much evidence of this in the bible and I have a 2 hour study concerning this if your interested, have not posted the update yet.

The ones who have entered the wisdom of God. The ones who have entered into rest in God.
The ones who can say "Its no longer I that lives but Christ."
The ones who don't take their will back, but stay on the cross with Christ, and the women and children who: Stay on the Rock.
Women and children don't have to fight in the last battle., they can sit back and watch.

Thanks 2 hours seems like a long time. . But I would not mind looking at it. Never know when a person is entertaining an angel as of messenger of God.[/QUOTE]

 

[stillness]

Luke 21: 5-9 "Jesus Foretell Destruction of the Temple"
Do most here believe these verses talk of destruction of the Second Temple or of a still future temple?

Luke 21: 20-24 "Jesus Foretell Destruction of Jerusalem"
Do most here believe these verses talk of the First Roman-Jewish Warr (66-73AD) or of a still future event?

The second interpretation in parable is the final time of trouble, the war in the Holy Place in heaven.
Jesus answered the 2 questions his disciples asked at the same time, the destruction of the temple and the end time of trouble: Let the reader understand (hidden in parable): Let those who are living in the Praise of God flee to the "Mountain of the Lord's house." Let him who is in fellowship with God, not go down to take things in his hands again, and let him who is in the world, not go back to his old identity. How dreadful for those with children and those who place their security in the church (not having learned to be led by the Spirit). But pray and don’t wait until the end, to learn to soar with God. For then shall be great trouble, such as was not since the beginning of the world, nor ever shall be.
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Living for the praise of God is the daily sacrifice of the new covenant:
"Daily pick up your cross and follow me."
No longer interpreting daily sacrifice from the old covenant perspective, done away by "The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy place, let the reader understand:"

Stay on the Rock:
"Many shall be purified and made white and refined but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
The morning after seeing the video, woke up with the realization that what she saw from a window that looked like a soccer field, would be the dimensions of the Holy place: twice as long as wide. The crown of thorns is the rejection from those desiring to be in charge. The steps ascending to the entrance, is the Way Jesus made in Himself, to follow in His steps. "Verily, verily I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." "This Ladder Jacob saw by night as he slept: the angels of God ascending and descending on it and behold the Lord stood above it." A secret Ladder hidden from understanding, wisdom we see dimly: humbled and raised up to God in this Ladder we suffer many ups and downs to keep watch until we enter into rest in God. On higher steps much is revealed through Love, as we cease from ourselves to be immersed in language of God.
"Learn a parable from the fig tree. When its branches are yet tender and bring forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So likewise, when you see these things come to pass, understand that it is near, even at the doors. Truly I say to you that this generation will not pass till all these things be done." Israel is established in their land again in 1948. "The Lord sais, 'The days are coming, when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their ancestors to possess, how awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it." It has been over 70 year from the time of restoration of Israel. "Our days come to seventy years, and if by reason of strength it be eighty, they are labor and sorrow. The final trouble, also referred as Jacob's trouble; ending with Israel recognizing their Savior at the end of the age. "For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?"

Jesus referred to labour pains of the Resurrection.
"He that shall endure to the end shall be saved."
Labor pains become more intense and closer together. "At that time your people will be delivered, everyone whose name is found written in the book. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting Life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever."

 

[garee]

As I have stated before, the scripture that you quoted above has nothing to do with the end of the age, but with a prophesy that Jesus gave regarding those who were standing there (Peter, John and James), with the fulfillment of that prophesy taking place a week later when they saw Jesus in His glorified state, i.e. the Son of Man coming in His glory.

Hi Ahwatukee

From my experiences I think much confusion is developed in the way the word "generation" is used. This is seeing it is used two ways .
One to represent that seen the temporal and the other not seen, the eternal faith principle.

I think it had to do with the end of the temporal age that God used the faithless Jews to preach the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow... the opening of the graves. Opening the door to the first resurrection in the heavenly Jerusalem prepared as Christ eternal bride the church.. He had used that time period as a parable using shadows and flesh to represent the unseen eternal. .

The time of reformation had come. The genealogy in respect to the "generation of Christ" the spiritual seed it had become fulfilled those old testament graves of the saints entered in the generation of Christ , as a new beginning of new creatures. Formerally of the generation of Adam the generation of evil as those who have no faith but walk by sight after the natural course of this world.

The resurrection of the dead and those living who are changed and caught up, is referring to the gathering of the church, the blessed

Prophesy = Some who are standing here will not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God come with power

Again relating to the word "generation" or beginnings. The this generation below being the same this generation as some who are standing here will not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God come with power. The generation of Christ the new creature. The us in Christ.
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.Matthew 12:42

The temporal generation
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

The eternal generation
Matthew 1:1 The book of the "generation of Jesus Christ", the son of David, the son of Abraham.

The temporal generation
Matthew 1:17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Both generations in a parable compared spiritually
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Prophesy fulfilled = About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took with Him Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white.

That glory represents the law and the prophets(God's word) .The upcoming glory on the last day . When the Sun and the moon as temporal time keepers shine no more, but are under the feet of the chaste virgin bride, the church .

 

[Ahwatukee]

How dreadful for those with children and those who place their security in the church (not having learned to be led by the Spirit). But pray and don’t wait until the end, to learn to soar with God. For then shall be great trouble, such as was not since the beginning of the world, nor ever shall be.

First of all, you have severely twisted the following scripture "But pray and don’t wait until the end, to learn to soar with God. And second, the information is regarding Israel, which can be determined by the mention of the abomination being set up in the holy place within the temple. And second, Jesus warning for them to flee from Jerusalem/Judea out to the wilderness. And thirdly, the Lord's concern that that event will not fall on the Sabbath and that because Israel who did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah, will continue to live under the Law given to Moses.

Living for the praise of God is the daily sacrifice of the new covenant:
"Daily pick up your cross and follow me."
No longer interpreting daily sacrifice from the old covenant perspective, done away by "The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy place, let the reader understand:"[/quote}

Jesus reference to "Let the reader understand" is pointing the reader back to Daniel 9:27 regarding the abomination being set up in the holy place within the future temple in the middle of the seven years. From the time that the abomination is set up there will be 3 1/2 years from that time when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.

Jesus referred to labour pains of the Resurrection.

The mention of "labor pains" has nothing to do with the resurrection. But has to do with God's coming wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which will, like labor pains, start off far apart and become closer together and more intense throughout the time of God's wath, up until Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.

"He that shall endure to the end shall be saved."
Labor pains become more intense and closer together. "At that time your people will be delivered, everyone whose name is found written in the book. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting Life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever."

Since the angel is speaking to Daniel, "Your people" would be referring to Israel, not the church.