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Budman

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Really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really.
Who is pursuing the question, who is the dog and who is the tail?
You are a self-righteous hypocrite and those on this thread can see it easily. If you can't answer a simple yes or no question regarding your integrity, don't you DARE preach obedience and sinlessness to others.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Interaction is only possible when people are truthful. If people are hiding behind things, and refuse to be open and honest, there can be no interaction. And the one who is hidiing everything and tries to blame shift to take the focus off them usually end up crashing and burning.
Are you going to answer our questions, or keep hiding?
I like your idea. But this is not how interactions work.
In a debate people put the best version of their point of view forward.
Questions mean different things in different contexts.

People over time come under conviction about positions and then shift.
You believe you have a real solution to a problem you feel I will just see.
I wish you let people be who they are, and trust God to lead them into
new things. Can you do this?

This may sound bad, but in a normal social arena I would not be interacting
with you and this would have stopped after a few interactions because of
the way you approach things. So let us leave it there. I leave you to the
Lord and His will and ways, because I know my limitations, God bless you
 

Budman

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Questions mean different things in different contexts.
Here's the context of this question: You love to preach obedience, yet you are continually sinning by deceptively coming back on this site under a different name after you were banned. You continue to break the rules and terms of this site, while preaching to us from your self-righteous high horse.

As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "Peterjens"?
 
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I like your idea. But this is not how interactions work.
See, He always twist things to support his view/
In a debate people put the best version of their point of view forward.
Questions mean different things in different contexts.

People over time come under conviction about positions and then shift.
You believe you have a real solution to a problem you feel I will just see.
I wish you let people be who they are, and trust God to lead them into
new things. Can you do this?

This may sound bad, but in a normal social arena I would not be interacting
with you and this would have stopped after a few interactions because of
the way you approach things. So let us leave it there. I leave you to the
Lord and His will and ways, because I know my limitations, God bless you
In a debate, people speak their view. Then they ask each other questions. Honest and honrable debaters answer those questions. They do not hide behind them then attack the person asking them

You only do that when you can not support your own belief system, and the other person asks you a question which you KNOW if you answer the truth, it would expose you.

Thats you peter. Thats you.
 

Hevosmies

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I was impressed with King David whose friend Jonathan really connected. But this is probably
rare. In Christ we hope for more, an eternal more :)
I decided to look this up..... Oy vey! Why exactly are you impressed?

2Sam 1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
1Sam 20:41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

WEIRD PEOPLE them hebrews were. I have never kissed another man, btw. Nor do I know of any male friend whose love is passing the love of women!

Can someone explain this to me please?
 
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Does anyone remember the nic peter used the last time he tried to come in here illegaly?
 

FollowHisSteps

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You are a self-righteous hypocrite and those on this thread can see it easily. If you can't answer a simple yes or no question regarding your integrity, don't you DARE preach obedience and sinlessness to others.
Hi budman, I like your don't dare etc. Do you know what obedience and walking in Jesus is?
Your obvious antagonism and desire to be totally cynical suggests not.
And if you cannot see clearly, how can you tell others who say the Lord has set them free, this
is not true.

The problem you are having is thinking anyone is saying you must do something.
All that is being shared is what Jesus has led others into and what they have found and inviting
you to join. Your language implies obedience is evil, horrible and cruel.

So being loving, kind, considerate, caring, patient, open, honest, compassionate, understanding,
long suffering, self sacrificing, are things to be despised and rejected?

Which light have you got in your heart? I am used to the children of God, like a lady on chat
today who just opened up and we shared about how good it is to know the Lord and walk
in His ways. It is because we are sharing something we both have, and that is dear to our
hearts. Clearly we do not connect like that. God bless you
 

Budman

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I decided to look this up..... Oy vey! Why exactly are you impressed?

2Sam 1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
1Sam 20:41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

WEIRD PEOPLE them hebrews were. I have never kissed another man, btw. Nor do I know of any male friend whose love is passing the love of women!

Can someone explain this to me please?
That behavior was quite common and acceptable at that time. Men in France, Greece, Italy, etc., to this day, still show affection and friendship by kissing each other.
 

Hevosmies

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That behavior was quite common and acceptable at that time. Men in France, Greece, Italy, etc., to this day, still show affection and friendship by kissing each other.
Soft countries. Soft dudes.

No wonder I never liked France!

I do love Italy though!

I best not travel, I wonder how I would react if a guy just randomly started kissing me lol. Time to just thug it out i guess if visiting a country!
 

Budman

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Hi budman, I like your don't dare etc. Do you know what obedience and walking in Jesus is?
Your obvious antagonism and desire to be totally cynical suggests not.
And if you cannot see clearly, how can you tell others who say the Lord has set them free, this
is not true.

The problem you are having is thinking anyone is saying you must do something.
All that is being shared is what Jesus has led others into and what they have found and inviting
you to join. Your language implies obedience is evil, horrible and cruel.

So being loving, kind, considerate, caring, patient, open, honest, compassionate, understanding,
long suffering, self sacrificing, are things to be despised and rejected?

Which light have you got in your heart? I am used to the children of God, like a lady on chat
today who just opened up and we shared about how good it is to know the Lord and walk
in His ways. It is because we are sharing something we both have, and that is dear to our
hearts. Clearly we do not connect like that. God bless you
Stop the flowery speeches. You've lost the moral high ground. Quit dodging, and answer the simple question posed to you.

As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "Peterjens"?
 

FollowHisSteps

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I decided to look this up..... Oy vey! Why exactly are you impressed?

2Sam 1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
1Sam 20:41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

WEIRD PEOPLE them hebrews were. I have never kissed another man, btw. Nor do I know of any male friend whose love is passing the love of women!

Can someone explain this to me please?
I can try, but I have never known this bond that deep with someone other than Jesus.
There is friendships where the other knows your thoughts and can complete sentences.
Twins sometimes get this. It means they know each other at a deeper level and can tell
when there are problems or great rejoicing.

Relationships with women can be on a pure sexual level, though David was very close to
Bathsheba.

When my son was very young, me and my wife could tell his mood with just one look.
It was interesting, because to others a small indication would be missed, but not to us.

I suspect in Jesus, as brothers and sisters in Christ we can share something deeper than
in other relationships because we know Christ. Sometime sharing reduces me to tears,
and I see a great need, and sometimes I sing for joy. It is this I want to explore in my church
and get people to know what this means from now into eternity, because we truly are one
body with many parts. Just read Paul. He rejoices, has tears, exercises authority, and the people
he shares with are deeply moved. I have not seen this that often. But I am growing in this
more now, not because I choose it, it is just becoming possible.

God bless, I hope this helps.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Stop the flowery speeches. You've lost the moral high ground. Quit dodging, and answer the simple question posed to you.
As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "Peterjens"?
I have never had a high moral ground. I just share my heart.
Do you know what that is, other than being a cynic?
 

Budman

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I have never had a high moral ground. I just share my heart.
Do you know what that is, other than being a cynic?
It's not cynical to ask you to stop being a hypocrite.

As God is your witness, were you previously on this site under the name "Peterjens"?