God's foreknowledge
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i think it takes infinity - no regular human lifetime would do. so, imo, that is how it is that 'eternal life is to know Him'
we do grow in knowledge of Him ((we'd better!)) in this lifetime, at individual rates, i agree, but it's all a drop in the bucket compared to knowing Him as He knows us, fully
we do grow in knowledge of Him ((we'd better!)) in this lifetime, at individual rates, i agree, but it's all a drop in the bucket compared to knowing Him as He knows us, fully
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Um, No he did not, he did the opposite. He stuck roadblocks in his way and and pretty much forced him to CHOSE to obey, or continue to resist and die. Jonah Chose to obey, but he could have just as easiy chose to deny and allowed himself to die in that fish,
God gave man free will period. Otherwise, God makes man a robot, and God can not judge anyone based on anything they did.
Not an answer to the question ForestGreenCook.
Your obstinate refusal to read God's Word as written robs you of full understanding of Psalm 53,( and skews your understanding of the whole of Scripture).
Again, Psalm 53 is a psalm of great comfort to those who God refers to as "My people" in Psalm 53:4.
God's people are constantly under attack by those who are workers of iniquity. These workers of iniquity cause God's people to fear. God reassures His people that there is no reason to fear these workers of iniquity because God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.
Rather than use Psalm 53 as proof text for your misinterpretation of Scripture, use Psalm 53 to encourage God's people of God's absolute faithfulness to His promises to His people.
Your obstinate refusal to read God's Word as written robs you of full understanding of Psalm 53,( and skews your understanding of the whole of Scripture).
Again, Psalm 53 is a psalm of great comfort to those who God refers to as "My people" in Psalm 53:4.
God's people are constantly under attack by those who are workers of iniquity. These workers of iniquity cause God's people to fear. God reassures His people that there is no reason to fear these workers of iniquity because God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.
Rather than use Psalm 53 as proof text for your misinterpretation of Scripture, use Psalm 53 to encourage God's people of God's absolute faithfulness to His promises to His people.
If you never understand your totally depraved nature after the fall of Adam and before you have been regenerated, then you will never understand the grace of God. The children of men, in Psalms 53 means all men (mankind) unless you can find some children that are not of men. We were all children of wrath, even as others until God regenerates us, Eph 2. Even when we have been regenerated, we still carry the baggage of our fleshly depraved nature after the sin of Adam as Paul explains in Gal 5. I do encourage God's people by telling them how great God's grace is who made provisions through his mercy to save us from being workers of iniquity to being alive in Christ.
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Whoever BELIEVES IN HIM is not condemned, whoever DOES NOTO BELIEVE is condemned already
And this is the will of God, that whoever SEES AND BELIEVES has eternal life and I WILL raise them on the last day
Chose this day who you will follow
The tax collector (free will called out in humility). Vs the pharisee (proud)
All people who will be in heaven, CHOSE AFTER GOD DREW THEM of their own free will to recieve him.
ALL people in hell will have no excuse, because they CHOSE OF FREE WILL to reject or deny him.
And this is the will of God, that whoever SEES AND BELIEVES has eternal life and I WILL raise them on the last day
Chose this day who you will follow
The tax collector (free will called out in humility). Vs the pharisee (proud)
All people who will be in heaven, CHOSE AFTER GOD DREW THEM of their own free will to recieve him.
ALL people in hell will have no excuse, because they CHOSE OF FREE WILL to reject or deny him.
Believing is not the cause of eternal salvation. Believing is the product of already being born of the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 2:14, Eph 2 and many more scriptures to prove this truth. God has given man a free will to choose how he wants to live his life here on earth, but man does not choose his eternal salvation, that is done by God's grace and mercy alone, without the help of man. Only his sheep (regenerated children of God), can hear and believe.
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People need to realise. We are all service a life sentance because of our sins. A person who goes to jail has been tried and convicted. While in jail they sre dead, seperated from the ones who love them, Thair parents, wives children and spouses can not have any kind of relationship with them UNTIL they have paid their debt, WHen they have FINISHED paying their debt, they are deemed in the Greek JUSTIFIED. Or their crimes have been tetelesti (paid in full) THEN they are relased from prison, and MADE ALIVE again, the relationship beteen them and those who them them are not restored.
This is what happens to Gods children. The prisoner is not released BEFORE he is justified, then some how miraculously he finishes paying off his debt, The prisoner (US) is (Are) JUSTIFIED by God through redemption which is in Christ Jesus, and once that justification is ENACTED (through faith, God will not force anyone to recieve his gift), Our debt is paid in full. We are THEN made alive (regenerated) as our relationship with God is restored.
This is how I see the bible talking about mans plight and position with God. And no one as of yet has shown me how an induvidual can be released from prison while his debt is still yet unpaid.
This is what happens to Gods children. The prisoner is not released BEFORE he is justified, then some how miraculously he finishes paying off his debt, The prisoner (US) is (Are) JUSTIFIED by God through redemption which is in Christ Jesus, and once that justification is ENACTED (through faith, God will not force anyone to recieve his gift), Our debt is paid in full. We are THEN made alive (regenerated) as our relationship with God is restored.
This is how I see the bible talking about mans plight and position with God. And no one as of yet has shown me how an induvidual can be released from prison while his debt is still yet unpaid.
Jesus paid the debt of all of the people that he died for, which were only for those that God gave him, and as far as eternal salvation is concerned, God looks upon them as Holy and without blame. Even though their sins have been forgiven in an eternal sense, we still have to contend with our sinful nature as we live in this world. Jesus paid their sins in full whether we accept the fact or not.
We were justified by Christ's death on the cross, we were regenerated sometime after our natural birth into this world. We were saved eternally, in a covenant relationship, before we were ever born into this world and therefore had no choice in the matter, just as when you were born of your mother, you had no choice in the matter.
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Your not saved UNTIL you are justified
Your justification is NOT OFFICIAL UNTIL you say yes lord and recieve his gift.
If what you say is true, then all of the elect is saved the moment they are born. God would not have to draw them or convice them they would already be justified and already in a relationship with him.
Your justification is NOT OFFICIAL UNTIL you say yes lord and recieve his gift.
If what you say is true, then all of the elect is saved the moment they are born. God would not have to draw them or convice them they would already be justified and already in a relationship with him.
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We are justified by Faith. This is what the word of God says. Yes the cross is the means of our justification (he paid our debt) but justification is NOT official until you say yes lord.
God will not force his justification on people who do not desire to be saved, he will allow them to continue in sin (see romans 1)
We are justified the momenet we say yes lord. We are regenerated because of that justification. Not befor..
God will not force his justification on people who do not desire to be saved, he will allow them to continue in sin (see romans 1)
We are justified the momenet we say yes lord. We are regenerated because of that justification. Not befor..