The Basics of Speaking in Tongues

[eternally-gratefull]

By the way, Holy Roller is not an insult. It speaks of churches where people roll around on the ground after being “slain in the spirit” (hence the term roller) or people who have been emotionally drained so they are crying out and showing all kinds of emotion. So much that there is no organisation in the church and there is no way any pastor could lead any type of bible discussion

EG never claimed ALL pentecostle or churches of God were like this. So once AGAIN CS1 is just looking for ways to attack, based on what he THINKS is being said, and not on reality

And he STILL has not shown where I ever said certain gifts have completely ceased as he said he would do. So he is just blame shifting trying to turn people to look at others instead of his own mistakes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no mista

amen and Lord Bless you too.

Yeah thats what I thought

Good to know I was right.. Thank you sir

 

[CS1]

By the way, Holy Roller is not an insult. It speaks of churches where people roll around on the ground after being “slain in the spirit” (hence the term roller) or people who have been emotionally drained so they are crying out and showing all kinds of emotion. So much that there is no organisation in the church and there is no way any pastor could lead any type of bible discussion

EG never claimed ALL pentecostle or churches of God were like this. So once AGAIN CS1 is just looking for ways to attack, based on what he THINKS is being said, and not on reality

And he STILL has not shown where I ever said certain gifts have completely ceased as he said he would do. So he is just blame shifting trying to turn people to look at others instead of his own mistakes.

not at all you are just very ignorant and have short term memory loss issue. It's Ok .

Yeah thats what I thought

Good to know I was right.. Thank you sir

you are wrong but just can't see it

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I would think a person would investigate as to why would God accredit the sign with those who refuse to hear the word of God as a law founded in Isaiah 28 .Which is clear and the theme of the doctrine. .The same one that confirmed it many years later (1 Corinthians 14) .Why avoid looking at the foundation avoid the outcome of the sign . And yet for all that make tongues prophecy (God's word) without effect by the oral tradition of men.

From my experience those who look to confirm the sign as being filled with the Holy Spirit simply are turning things as if things of God where loosed from earth confirming they were heard on high. It is why the doctrine was founded men refused to believe prophecy .

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips (mocking lips) and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Isaiah 28.10-12

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.! Corinthians 14:21-22

Yet for all that they will keep this oral tradition they call a sign gift as if we walked by sight to begin with which is actually a curse they have named tongues also .Two different doctrines apposing each other .The doctrine of God as it is written and those who seek after a signs and wonders gospel as a oral tradition of men

It makes the tradition of God without effect.

you make little to no sense

you do a mashup of old and new testament scriptures, confuse the timeline, misunderstand the application and come out with your own gospel

this is the age of the gospel of Jesus Christ

either preach that or do not expect people to agree with you

you are anti what is taught in the new testament and sadly think you know better than those who practice what is taught

 

[stonesoffire]

Actually, yes we have been attacked. In fact we have been told if we do not experience these things we ar not saved.

I am not attacking either, I am just tryign to share with you that you do not need all those experiences to be used by God.

But, it's God who gives them so apparently He thinks I need them anyway. And seven, and CSI. Plus Waggles and the new member who started this thread. And many others here.

They must have value when the source is God. And please don't blaspheme Holy Spirit here. Am not saying this to you EG.

I'm not wanting to cause sin for anyone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

not at all you are just very ignorant and have short term memory loss issue. It's Ok .

Short term memory loss?

You mean like you saying I have claimed that certain gifts have ceased, and when I said I have never said it, You called me out to expose me, and when you could not, you continue to do it??

you are wrong but just can't see it

Naww. I may be wrong about tongues and prophecy (I never claimed to know all things) but i am not wrong about what you have done..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Woo hoo, I got two red x’s. I must be special

 

[7seasrekeyed]

By the way, Holy Roller is not an insult. It speaks of churches where people roll around on the ground after being “slain in the spirit” (hence the term roller) or people who have been emotionally drained so they are crying out and showing all kinds of emotion. So much that there is no organisation in the church and there is no way any pastor could lead any type of bible discussion

EG never claimed ALL pentecostle or churches of God were like this. So once AGAIN CS1 is just looking for ways to attack, based on what he THINKS is being said, and not on reality

And he STILL has not shown where I ever said certain gifts have completely ceased as he said he would do. So he is just blame shifting trying to turn people to look at others instead of his own mistakes.

sorry (not sorry) but the term 'holy roller' is most certainly derogatory

it may describe something, but it was not coined by those attending

it is most certainly meant in a derogatory way

Holy Roller

Also found in: Thesaurus, Acronyms, Wikipedia.
Holy Roller
n. Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for a member of any of various Christian denominations in which spiritual fervor is expressed by shouts and violent body movements.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
Holy Roller
n
(Theology) derogatory a member of a sect that expresses religious fervor in an ecstatic or frenzied way

 

[CS1]

Short term memory loss?

You mean like you saying I have claimed that certain gifts have ceased, and when I said I have never said it, You called me out to expose me, and when you could not, you continue to do it??



Naww. I may be wrong about tongues and prophecy (I never claimed to know all things) but i am not wrong about what you have done..

can you show me were I said" EG has said the gifts have ceased " Please show me? If I did I think you may have misread what I meant. but for the sake of argument please show me here and now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But, it's God who gives them so apparently He thinks I need them anyway.

And I never said he never gave them to you. So can you and CS1 and all you other people stop putting words in my mouth?

And seven, and CSI. Plus Waggles and the new member who started this thread. And many others here.

They must have value when the source is God. And please don't blaspheme Holy Spirit here. Am not saying this to you EG.

I'm not wanting to cause sin for anyone.

I know God did not give at least one of them the gift. ( I will not name names, it is not for me to judge openly about a person salvation) I do not even believe that person is saved (he believes in a works based save yourself gospel)

As for the rest of your list, If God gave you that gift, thats great,

My only beef is

1. They did not come from the “baptism of the spirit” they come ffrom the HS coming INSIDE YOU (which is called annointing)
2. What my aunt witnessed, and i have seen in many churches is not from God (I have never been to any of your churches so I can not speak for your church
3. As I have also said, the argument that I have not experienced Christ, or can not be used by Christ or many of the other things which have been said are just plain FALSE. And that is the rest of the beef.

I love ya sis. And do not want to argue, I just want you to see what I am seeing.. and experience what I have experienced so you know that people can experience God fully and never speak in an unnown tongue their whole life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

sorry (not sorry) but the term 'holy roller' is most certainly derogatory

it may describe something, but it was not coined by those attending

it is most certainly meant in a derogatory way

Holy Roller

Also found in: Thesaurus, Acronyms, Wikipedia.
Holy Roller
n. Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for a member of any of various Christian denominations in which spiritual fervor is expressed by shouts and violent body movements.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
Holy Roller
n
(Theology) derogatory a member of a sect that expresses religious fervor in an ecstatic or frenzied way

Well thats what I see. Jesus called the pahrisees white washed tombs, so it is not like people have NEVER used names to point out a specific group of people to call them out.

They are holy rollers. And they are a mockery and an insult to the body of Christ.

I call them as I see them just like everyone else calls things like they see them

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So God was wrong when he inpsited paul to write that after we hear the word the gospel of our salvation. And after heariing we believe(Faith) We re sealed with the HS? The bible also tells us we are annointed by the spirit? (The holy spirit coming in or being poured on us) The OT example of the priests (we are called priestd) where they were first baptised. Then the sacrifice, then the anointing? Being an example of what God does to his NT priests (US)

Yeah, I think I will go with the word of God ok?


The catholic churhc is the largest church in the world. Are they right in everything? Since when does the MANY prove what is the TRUTH?
What evidence can you provide to show the alleged truth of your supposition?



Holy Spirit Baptism. Baptism represents cleansing. When are you going to understand this biblical fact? All gifts of the spirit come because of the HS being poured out into us (anoint) like oil poured out on the OT priests.

And no. Tongues is not the sign which PROVES one is a believer. Paul says the HS gives gifts as he desires. Tongues is but ONE GIFT. NOT EVERYONE will have the gift of tongues

1st you need to learn what baptism is (col 2 will help you, the spiritual circumcision done without hands through the baptism of the spirit)

Then you need to realise does not need everyone speaking in tongues.

If God needs someone to speak in tongues, he will have it happen. If he does not. He wont, I trust god to do what he needs. Why don’t you?

your understanding of tongues and perhaps the gifts in general if your understanding of tongues is any indication, is convoluted

tongues are for US ... God created language

tongues are for self edification and in the congregation, for the building up of the body..ALL the gifts used in church are supposed to be for the building up of the body

that is what scripture actually states and since you have a Bible, just look look up the description of the gifts and you will find that

 

[stonesoffire]

Tongues is prophecy spoken by God. God is no longer brining any new prophecy after any manner. So what would the purpose today, seeing it an evil generation that does seek after a sign. What kind of attention should one expect for looking to confirm something with a sign?

God is no longer speaking to His people? Garee you come up with some preposterous sayings. 😇

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Well thats what I see. Jesus called the pahrisees white washed tombs, so it is not like people have NEVER used names to point out a specific group of people to call them out.

They are holy rollers. And they are a mockery and an insult to the body of Christ.

I call them as I see them just like everyone else calls things like they see them

your responses are so childish

I have seen you doing this for almost as long as I have been here

you said that it was not a derogatory term and now you say it is a derogatory term

what do you hope to achieve this way?

anyway, I just showed that you were either not truthful or under the wrong impression

you however, just showed you knew all along it was derogatory and said 'they' are a mockery and insult to the body of Christ

try to catch up with yourself

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No way, for there were people who did not speak in tongues in the New Testament times and what say you they do?

You are just giving a worthless opinion. You didn't even address the scriptures I gave.

No such thing what you say.

YOU are just giving a worthless opinion

see how that works?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

can you show me were I said" EG has said the gifts have ceased " Please show me? If I did I think you may have misread what I meant. but for the sake of argument please show me here and now.

A few weeks ago I was talking with EG about "taking my yoke upon you" etc
I quoted the verses, and when they were quoted back words were added which I had not said
as if I was saying them.

I had never met this before where I was being told my typing meant these extra words.
Now how can one have a rational discussion with anyone who does this in their own heads.

Combine this with are very impressive argument style and you have one armoured tank.
Unless one actually was involved in the interaction, it would look normal.

Is it possible such personalities can dominate sites like this, and people not be aware?
And how can one be helpful as well as caring for others. I have seen people get hurt
through interactions like this, and wondered what I could do to help.

I am interested on the take you have or is this too focused a question?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

can you show me were I said" EG has said the gifts have ceased " Please show me? If I did I think you may have misread what I meant. but for the sake of argument please show me here and now.

What brought this on? I lready showed you once before and you not only ignored what I said you kept belittling

Start at post 412, where I cut a part of your (post 410) and said I have never made such a statment

in post 410 you said

that is your presupposition.

I am not in any way able to speak for all Church or even the many on the gifts of the Holy Spirit, what I am able to do is prove that Gifts of the Holy Spirit found in 1cor 12 thru 14 have not been done away with. So your attempt to over reach and assume I am all knowing was an error on your part.

To which I replied.

I never said they were so as usual you project facts not in evidence or facts that are not even true.

To which you back with

excuse me are we to go down that road of pointing out what you said before you again try to make insults. let's go back, shall we?

You have a bad habit of not remembering what you said. After I again show you your error we can continue not to continue Ok.

At which point I said to go ahead, and asked you what were you going to show me, what I really said?

So what are you going to show me? The post where I said I USED TO BE a cessationalist, but that I have now changed my mind? And even when I said I was a cessationalist. I also said that if God needed to use the gift of toungus today, Nothing is stoping him from doing it. So you better make sure you get that post also. Because there are many here who will witness and attest to the fact I have said those things.

I am not making an insult. I am just trying to point out a flaw you seem to have in this issue of tongues.. where you do not see things as you should and act in ways which I am sure it it was any other subject you would agree you should not.

The whole context of this discussion was you saying you can prove that certain gifts have not ceased. And my respons that I HAVE NEVER SAID THEY HAVE!


To which you replied with something that had NOTHING to do with me saying gifts have ceased, and said that PROVED you were right. (Out of context of our conversation) and when I called you out and said that is not what the discussion with, You never admitted you made a mistake, you just kep jabbing.


Should I cut this post for future reference. Or will you NOW be willing to admit your mistake (at which point I have to ask why)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God is no longer speaking to His people? Garee you come up with some preposterous sayings. 😇

I agree, God speaks to his people

He does it every day!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

your responses are so childish

I have seen you doing this for almost as long as I have been here

you said that it was not a derogatory term and now you say it is a derogatory term

what do you hope to achieve this way?

anyway, I just showed that you were either not truthful or under the wrong impression

you however, just showed you knew all along it was derogatory and said 'they' are a mockery and insult to the body of Christ

try to catch up with yourself

Lol whatever, I told you once, I will say it again,, If you do not like what I say put me on ignore..

It is a term used to speak about a group of churches. That is what I said, and that is what I will hold onto

If you do not like the term, fine..

 

[stonesoffire]

Experience is not the validator of spiritual understanding. If it was what happened in the garden? No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual gifts not seen, yes. Signs and wonders gospel, no. We are commanded to walk by faith. Not a option.

Spiritual gifts not seen? 'Eh?