Not By Works

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Macabeus

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Budman said:
Don't be so hard on yourself. ;)
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I guess it's OK to lie, since you sin more or less everyday? You flat out LIED.

What I have been saying is no different than someone saying adultery is a sin. I stated a general principle of the Bible. You are concerned only with winning a debate, and have no regard for truth, so it is easy for you to lie to accomplish your goals.
 
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Macabeus said:
I don't care about winning a debate, and that just shows that you are in this for the wrong reason.
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It was a joke, pal.

Macabeus said:
because you are guilty of lying
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Hardly. You posted repeatedly that fruit is the proof one's salvation is genuine. And since "fruit" is the proof, that is your litmus test.
Macabeus said:
Stating a general scriptural principle is not examing fruit.
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It is when it applies to individuals. And it does, does it not?

Macabeus said:
You got caught in a lie and you can't escape.
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Again, you are deflecting, and you're not being honest. You indeed posted such.
 
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Budman said:
Don't be so hard on yourself. ;)
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Hey, if I could live this way every moment of each day, am sure my life would be much better. 😉

I am quoting what Paul says we have and can be by the Spirit filled life. An overcomer. It's a good thing that grace also means unmerited favor. But, this does not mean freedom to choose sinful acts. Which at times budman, it sounds like what you are portraying.
 
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Macabeus

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Budman said:
Oh, stonesoffire, it's both general and also personal, as it applies to individuals regarding whether or not they produce the fruit he says is "proof" of genuine salvation.

Logical fallacy exposed.
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What individuals does it apply to? Whose fruit specifically was I inspecting? Or was I just stating a scriptural principle.
 
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stonesoffire said:
First of all EG, what are you calling good works? Second, what person needs proof? The one that works? Or those who sees the works?

And I don't understand this..."the works just prove God was correct in his action of saving someone" ?
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James spoke all over in the first two chapters about testing yourself your faith your patience etc etc

He was telling the individuals to test their own faith

Was it real or was it just a claimed faith

If I say I have faith but I am a heater not a doer (works) . I better be open to the fact I probably never had faith and need to challenge my pride and repent before its too late

Does God need proof before he saves someone fully?
 
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Macabeus said:
I guess it's OK to lie, since you sin more or less everyday? You flat out LIED.
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Anyone who reads back on this thread can easily see I certainly did not. You "genuine salvation" test is fruit. And that applies to individuals. You're simply getting upset because your arguments are getting so easily refuted.
 
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Macabeus said:
What individuals does it apply to? Whose fruit specifically was I inspecting? Or was I just stating a scriptural principle.
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Does that statement apply to individuals or only crowds of faceless people?
 
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Macabeus

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eternally-gratefull said:
James spoke all over in the first two chapters about testing yourself your faith your patience etc etc

He was telling the individuals to test their own faith

Was it real or was it just a claimed faith

If I say I have faith but I am a heater not a doer (works) . I better be open to the fact I probably never had faith and need to challenge my pride and repent before its too late

Does God need proof before he saves someone fully?
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HE's not talking about God seeing the evidence. God knows our hearts better than we do.
 
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Macabeus

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Budman said:
Does that statement apply to individuals or only crowds of faceless people?
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It applies to everyone. That is what general means. IT is not inspecting anyone, it is stating a general principle. In other words, YOU and OTHERS LIED. The Flesh lies, not the Spirit. You should sit down now.
 
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Budman said:
Oh, stonesoffire, it's both general and also personal, as it applies to individuals regarding whether or not they produce the fruit he says is "proof" of genuine salvation.

Logical fallacy exposed.
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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is this: Charity, joy, peace, tolerance, gentleness, goodness, faith,


23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


24 For those that are of the Christ have crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts.


25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
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stonesoffire said:
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is this: Charity, joy, peace, tolerance, gentleness, goodness, faith,


23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


24 For those that are of the Christ have crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts.


25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Yep. That's the standard. Problem is, we don't always live up to it.
 
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Macabeus

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Budman said:
Yep. That's the standard. Problem is, we don't always live up to it.
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But the key is admitting when you erred. Failure to admit you erred is walking in darkness. Is this judging you? NO it is stating a general spiritual principle
 
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Macabeus said:
What individuals does it apply to? Whose fruit specifically was I inspecting? Or was I just stating a scriptural principle.
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A scriptural principle will have individual application otherwise it serves no purpose and therefore not a principle.
 
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