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LOL - I like you, but you are a master at trying to wiggle and waggle till you get the text to say what you want!
Why don't you just tell me what you want the text to say? I really don't know what you are after ; I am not trying to be hard-nosed. What is your point about - "therefore it is a continuing faith" - What do you mean by that?
Why don't you just tell me what you want the text to say? I really don't know what you are after ; I am not trying to be hard-nosed. What is your point about - "therefore it is a continuing faith" - What do you mean by that?
This will be my last post for tonight as I know it is getting late.
Born of God is past action (perfect tense) verb
Believe is present tense participle.
From the perspective of Paul, the new birth was in the past. The faith that accompanied the new birth was also past, but he uses a present tense verb), meaning that while it was similtaneous with the new birth, it was also continuing into the present (from Paul's perspective.) Therefore, it was continuing from the new birth to the present. It is a continuing faith.
Born of God is past action (perfect tense) verb
Believe is present tense participle.
From the perspective of Paul, the new birth was in the past. The faith that accompanied the new birth was also past, but he uses a present tense verb), meaning that while it was similtaneous with the new birth, it was also continuing into the present (from Paul's perspective.) Therefore, it was continuing from the new birth to the present. It is a continuing faith.
The past tense verb born and the present tense participle believing is self explanatory.
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ in the present has been born of God in the past.
Continuing faith.
If you don't see it, we can leave it at that.
Nice talking to you both. It's nice when people can disagree without being rude.
God bless
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ in the present has been born of God in the past.
Continuing faith.
If you don't see it, we can leave it at that.
Nice talking to you both. It's nice when people can disagree without being rude.
God bless
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You ask this question, which I repeatedly have answered from my perspective.
I have told you my view on the nature of sin, our hearts, walking righteously before the Lord.
Now you keep on asking the same question as if I will answer it differently.
So my point is, what is your objective? That I feel a conviction, that I desire more deeply to
walk closer to the Lord.
gb9 clearly stated he believes he is a sinner, failed and flawed pointing to the Lord.
The traditional view is to take this position but believe we are cleansed as we confess.
What is also apparent is people replace real sin with imagined sin and failed aspiration
with which to beat themselves, and dominate their hearts with failure rather than love
and acceptance in Gods grace, lifting their hearts up so they can reach out to others in love.
So my friend, maybe you just want to repeat this process like the accuser of the brethren
repeating accusations over forgiven sin. It is ironic if ones belief system is such accusations
are from satan, and then one does the same to others. Where does that put you?
I have told you my view on the nature of sin, our hearts, walking righteously before the Lord.
Now you keep on asking the same question as if I will answer it differently.
So my point is, what is your objective? That I feel a conviction, that I desire more deeply to
walk closer to the Lord.
gb9 clearly stated he believes he is a sinner, failed and flawed pointing to the Lord.
The traditional view is to take this position but believe we are cleansed as we confess.
What is also apparent is people replace real sin with imagined sin and failed aspiration
with which to beat themselves, and dominate their hearts with failure rather than love
and acceptance in Gods grace, lifting their hearts up so they can reach out to others in love.
So my friend, maybe you just want to repeat this process like the accuser of the brethren
repeating accusations over forgiven sin. It is ironic if ones belief system is such accusations
are from satan, and then one does the same to others. Where does that put you?
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Fruit inspectors inspect fruit to determine true regeneration and make a decision on its veracity...no where are we called to make such a determination.
We are called to determine who are false teachers, that is entirely different, this is an objective analysis of their doctrine and who their followers are.
We are called to rebuke, reprove and exhort, however this again is not to decide the veracity of their conversion based on how much they sin or do not sin, or much good works they do.
Two different things
We are called to determine who are false teachers, that is entirely different, this is an objective analysis of their doctrine and who their followers are.
We are called to rebuke, reprove and exhort, however this again is not to decide the veracity of their conversion based on how much they sin or do not sin, or much good works they do.
Two different things
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https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-4823
Which do you disagree with?
a. Paul's statement that we are saved by grace through faith alone
or
b. Jesus' statement that our fruits and actions reveal the condition of our heart?
These principles do not contradict. Unless you don't accept the what the bible says on the matter. And I have explaned that this is what I am saying.
I never said any such thing. Show me the post number where I said this.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-4823
Which do you disagree with?
a. Paul's statement that we are saved by grace through faith alone
or
b. Jesus' statement that our fruits and actions reveal the condition of our heart?
These principles do not contradict. Unless you don't accept the what the bible says on the matter. And I have explaned that this is what I am saying.
I never said any such thing. Show me the post number where I said this.
salvation is deliverance. its victory over the world the flesh and the devil. Jesus atoned for sins so they can be forgiven to those who enter the covenant through godly sorrow faith and repentance, clean vessel prepared for the master's use.
iam of the belief that salvation is not just positional, its manifesting in day to day life.
you are entering into a covenant relationship with God, and agree to uphold the covenant, obviously.
the beforementioned st. james says it like this, instead of using the vessel metaphor by st.paul or prophet ezekiel
James 4:8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
iam of the belief that salvation is not just positional, its manifesting in day to day life.
you are entering into a covenant relationship with God, and agree to uphold the covenant, obviously.
the beforementioned st. james says it like this, instead of using the vessel metaphor by st.paul or prophet ezekiel
James 4:8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.