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So now the wages of sin is loss of reward, or is ruined witness, or, or, or, anything but what the bible says it is. Walking contrary is not an inadvertent sin. Walking contrary is unrepentant sinning. The wages of sin is death. With this type of salvation IN SINNING nonsense being spread , no wonder Jesus said "will I find faith when I return".
Keep flappin.....obviously you do not have faith, nor any understanding....everything I said was biblical....regardless of your lack of eyeballs to see it....Read 1st John, 1st Corinthians 3, Hebrews and a few other books instead of commentaries or relying upon your preacher....he led you astray....
 

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This seems somewhat at odds with your previous 3 suggestions and looks like a "Get out of Jail Free" post.
You may think this, but I am developing a different way of expressing some realities.
The question I have is how people avoid dealing with their hearts in Christ.

If you forgive people from the heart, yet ones heart is full of condemnation and anger
it is not going to happen. If ones heart is full of self indulgence, greed, envy, lust,
the Holy Spirit is not going to find a home here.

Yet in discussions some will deny their hearts have any part of salvation or the Kingdom,
while Jesus addressed this very issue time and again and we are called to purify our hearts.

So it gets very curious and very important to show an emphasis that illustrates this very
point. God bless you.
 

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Keep flappin.....obviously you do not have faith, nor any understanding....everything I said was biblical....regardless of your lack of eyeballs to see it....Read 1st John, 1st Corinthians 3, Hebrews and a few other books instead of commentaries or relying upon your preacher....he led you astray....
i have been led astray by preacher(s) too. thanks Jesus for revealing truth

i should also read those chapters. hebrews is a tough book.

brethren. do you believe its best to read new testament books as is, or always go back and look at whats being quoted? or are the apostles just quoting it and making maybe a different point? since sometimes gentiles didnt probably have OT scriptures to look up
 
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i have been led astray by preacher(s) too. thanks Jesus for revealing truth

i should also read those chapters.
You know what...you were willing to see the truth and then openly admit your error, change and start the right path.......that shows you are open to the truth and proves you are of God.....these other guys however, continually post the same drivel while being willing obstinate to the truth, falsely accusing, embellishing what we say, denying scriptural truth etc.......Keep studying and learning.....
 
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What Jesus did on the cross applied to all humanity...it is referred to as the sacrificial element of the atonement.
False......the blood is only applied by faith.........it is open to all, but ONLY applied when one by faith has it applied dia Christ.......!
 

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You have already proven that you have no understanding.......nothing you say has value until you can post truth with understanding.....ongoing sanctification is SUBJECT to successes and or failures based upon the level of transformation that takes place in the mind (Romans 12:1-2)

Do me a favor....do not address me again.....your errors, lack of understanding and false blather is old now and it is obvious that you are not open to the truth on any level.......a better IDEA...go start your own self saving, I don't sin, I am perfect and always walk right Phariseeical thread............
The level of transformation at conversion is to 100% yes lord
 
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You may think this, but I am developing a different way of expressing some realities.
The question I have is how people avoid dealing with their hearts in Christ.

If you forgive people from the heart, yet ones heart is full of condemnation and anger
it is not going to happen. If ones heart is full of self indulgence, greed, envy, lust,
the Holy Spirit is not going to find a home here.

Yet in discussions some will deny their hearts have any part of salvation or the Kingdom,
while Jesus addressed this very issue time and again and we are called to purify our hearts.

So it gets very curious and very important to show an emphasis that illustrates this very
point. God bless you.
To be quite honest, and no disrespect meant, the above is quite a load of waffle and contradiction.

Methinks you over thinketh things.
 

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False......the blood is only applied by faith.........it is open to all, but ONLY applied when one by faith has it applied dia Christ.......!
The cross (from the foundation of the world) kept humanity from destruction on account of Adams sin. It provides all humanity with probation, a chance to choose Jesus and no sinning, or to choose to remain in Adam's race and continue sinning.
 
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The level of transformation at conversion is to 100% yes lord
Of the spirit yes....of the MIND NO......get your facts straight.....the latter needs to be transformed, sanctified and matured...or the BELIEVER will remain STUNTED IN GROWTH and MATURITY and more subject to FAILURE and SIN.......dude you take the cake for one of the most unlearned supposed believers I have ever seen.....
 
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The cross (from the foundation of the world) kept humanity from destruction on account of Adams sin. It provides all humanity with probation, a chance to choose Jesus and no sinning, or to choose to remain in Adam's race and continue sinning.
FALSE.......more religious drivel with no biblical proof......HAHA wow......probation for humanity......yeah right!!!
 

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I can only discern the spirit through the spirit and not through the OSAS lens which CLAIMS to have a FAITH ALONE that ONCE and ALWAYS save them even if they would lie to the HOLY SPIRIT.

YES, i was JUSTIFIED through FAITH(a LIVING Faith not DEAD) and I have a LIVING Hope that God will SAVE me from His coming WRATH which would come on those who are DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)

I do not disregard God's AUTHORITY on my SALVATION. If i do not REMAIN IN HIM, He will not REMAIN in me. If I turn away from Him and ABANDON the FAITH to follow DECEIVING spirits and things taught by demons such as DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD and lieing to the HOLY SPIRIT which caused the DEATH of man (ADAM and EVE, ANANIAS and SAPPHIRA are good examples), would He still REMAIN IN ME?

A Christian who BELONGS in the body of Christ should be LIVING in LOVE and WALKING as Jesus did, and this is LOVE; "THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS." They should not RUN AHEAD(2 John 1:7-13) but instead, just as Paul said...

...Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. Philippians 3:12-16 Pressing on Toward the Goal

It is the BODY OF CHRIST which was SANCTIFIED, PERFECTED, GLORIFIED, which will not perish, will not decay, see death or die, incorruptible, will not be condemned and WILL BE SAVED by Jesus Christ when He comes. It will be presented to Him as a PURE VIRGIN.

...I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:2-3

...It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

... The Son of Man will send out his angels, and THEY WILL WEED OUT OF HIS KINGDOM EVERYTHING THAT CAUSES SIN AND ALL WHO DO EVIL. They will THROW THEM INTO THE FIERY FURNACE, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 13:41-43

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? Hebrews 12:25

We can see and identify from these discussions who are the servants of God and who are not...who are righteous and who are wicked.

Jesus told His disciples to preach the Gospel unto all nations and teach them to OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. (Matthew 28:18-20)

Now those who adhere to the Lord's instructions are called "IDIOTIC", WORKS SALVATIONISTS, SINLESS PERFECTIONISTS, SALVATION LOSERS ETC. Insulting and mocking the idea of OBEDIENCE TO GOD as PART OF SALVATION. (See Hebrews 5:7-9)

They are calling evil GOOD and good EVIL. (Isaiah 5:20-24)

What is NOTICEABLE is how this people PROUDLY and CONTINUOUSLY calling themselves "SINNERS" even after claiming at the same time that they were BORN AGAIN of incorruptible seed.

(A double personality suffering from SCHIZOPHRENIA who love to DOUBLE TALK.)

I am not insulting or mocking anyone but just EXPOSING them to lead them to godly sorrow and somehow REPENT.

...When I say to a wicked man, ‘YOU WILL SURELY DIE,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to DISSUADE HIM FROM HIS EVIL WAYS in order TO SAVE HIS LIFE, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you ACCOUNTABLE for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do WARN the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, HE WILL SURELY LIVE because HE TOOK WARNING, and you will have saved yourself.” Ezekiel 3:18-21

... “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be SHAMEFULLY EXPOSED.” Revelation 16:15

...“YOU HAVE SAID HARSH THINGS AGAINST ME,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘IT IS FUTILE TO SERVE GOD. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “THEY WILL BE MINE,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between THE RIGHTEOUS and THE WICKED, between THOSE WHO SERVE God and THOSE WHO DO NOT. Malachi 3:13-18

...I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in LEADING THE GENTILES TO OBEY GOD BY WHAT I HAVE SAID AND DONE—
Romans 15:18

What are you teaching?

Aren't you leading believers to DISOBEY GOD?

It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter NO ONE SHOULD WRONG HIS BROTHER OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIM. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. FOR GOD DID NOT CALL US TO BE IMPURE, but to LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

...See to it that you DO NOT REFUSE HIM who speaks. IF THEY DID NOT ESCAPE when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25

...The Spirit clearly says that in later times some WILL ABANDON THE FAITH and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Those who will ABANDON THEIR FAITH are those who CLAIM to have FAITH but without works...DEAD...NO POWER...

...“WHY do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY? I will show you what he is like who comes to me and HEARS MY WORDS and PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE. He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and DOES NOT PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.” Luke 6:46-49

..."FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD."...James 2:26

...LET GOD BE TRUE...GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...(Romans 3:3-4 & Galatians 6:7-10)

If you really are obedient to God then teach us to OBEY GOD...what hinders you to do so and would rather attack those who continue in His teachings?


...On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:20-24

...Why do you call me "Lord, Lord", and do not do what I say?
 

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i have been led astray by preacher(s) too. thanks Jesus for revealing truth

i should also read those chapters. hebrews is a tough book.

brethren. do you believe its best to read new testament books as is, or always go back and look at whats being quoted? or are the apostles just quoting it and making maybe a different point? since sometimes gentiles didnt probably have OT scriptures to look up
Maybe starting in the book of John , and then re-read it , I found this very helpful when I was thirsting and hungry for our Lord...xox...
 
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I see the deceiver that has been banned and now back is still posting walls of text out of context and conflated into one big quagmire of fallacy...........no honesty, no integrity and regurgitated Catholic dogma = false gospel.....!!!
 

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Of the spirit yes....of the MIND NO......get your facts straight.....the latter needs to be transformed, sanctified and matured...or the BELIEVER will remain STUNTED IN GROWTH and MATURITY and more subject to FAILURE and SIN.......dude you take the cake for one of the most unlearned supposed believers I have ever seen.....


Please read Romans 12: 1 & 2...…"transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND that you may PROVE what is that good, and ACCEPTABLE, and PERFECT will of God." Come on, just believe the word
 
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Please read Romans 12: 1 & 2...…"transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND that you may PROVE what is that good, and ACCEPTABLE, and PERFECT will of God." Come on, just believe the word
I have read it pal....translated it and taught through it numerous times....the transformation is in the mind.......wake up...
 

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Please read Romans 12: 1 & 2...…"transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND that you may PROVE what is that good, and ACCEPTABLE, and PERFECT will of God." Come on, just believe the word
PROVE.... now, on your own two feet in this present world. The gospel is not pretend/make believe righteousness. Jesus via the Holy Spirit actually lives in the born again as 100% manager of the life
 

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I have read it pal....translated it and taught through it numerous times....the transformation is in the mind.......wake up...
I do think that the transformation is in the mind is what I am emphasizing and the mind is the controlling aspect of human thoughts, words, and deeds....and so when the mind is transformed by God, what might one expect to be the result? no guessing...the word is plain as the noonday sun... holiness, righteousness, the perfect will of God.