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Melach

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eternally-gratefull said:
What do you mean by big difference?
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that dispensationalists have this teaching that big difference between church and israel. israel is in one train track and church is on another train track. now God deals with church then when the rapture happens God goes again to israel track

i see it as one train track made of jews and gentiles that is church for all saved people.
 
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Melach said:
that dispensationalists have this teaching that big difference between church and israel. israel is in one train track and church is on another train track. now God deals with church then when the rapture happens God goes again to israel track

i see it as one train track made of jews and gentiles that is church for all saved people.
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Isreal is one promise, It is the fac t that God promised them as his people to do some things, He also gave them a specific inheritance. Non of this means Israel is saved though, this is not a salvic covenant between God and Israel.

And God has made specific promises to her, even promises that he has not yet fulfilled (future prophesy)

Some believe the church has replaced isreal. And these promises belong to them. This is not true


The church is composed of all believers (jew or gentile) from Adam until the last man or woman who will ever come to christ.

That is the difference


 
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Isreal is one promise, It is the fac t that God promised them as his people to do some things, He also gave them a specific inheritance. Non of this means Israel is saved though, this is not a salvic covenant between God and Israel.

And God has made specific promises to her, even promises that he has not yet fulfilled (future prophesy)

Some believe the church has replaced isreal. And these promises belong to them. This is not true


The church is composed of all believers (jew or gentile) from Adam until the last man or woman who will ever come to christ.

That is the difference
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lolz so we agree completely then.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If you ever hear the term “replacement theology” that is what is being spoken of, the fact that they think the church has replaced Israel..
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what churches teach dispensationalism? do methodists? do baptists? do pentecostals? do presbyterians? i know catholics dont and orthodox dont.
 
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Melach said:
what churches teach dispensationalism? do methodists? do baptists? do pentecostals? do presbyterians? i know catholics dont and orthodox dont.
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I will be honest, That I do not know

I believe most who left the catholic church (I think they call them reformed churches) followed her Beliefs in this area
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I will be honest, That I do not know

I believe most who left the catholic church (I think they call them reformed churches) followed her Beliefs in this area
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the most popular people arent always right. i often think about it

we got the early church fathers but who else was there? probably someone. like today who is the big name preachers? maybe joel osteen, benny hinn, billy graham, david herzog, joyce mayer. these are popular people today but maybe they are not right. same like the church fathers.

when we look back at this day in 2300 we will say these names but we will not bring up that small church in the countryside with a pastor and flock thats in the truth and wholly dedicated to God because they never got the air time from the world or popularity.

same could of happened with church fathers.

i googled the issue and it seems like dispensationalists are mostly baptist pentecostals and non-denominationals.
 
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Melach said:
the most popular people arent always right. i often think about it

we got the early church fathers but who else was there? probably someone. like today who is the big name preachers? maybe joel osteen, benny hinn, billy graham, david herzog, joyce mayer. these are popular people today but maybe they are not right. same like the church fathers.

when we look back at this day in 2300 we will say these names but we will not bring up that small church in the countryside with a pastor and flock thats in the truth and wholly dedicated to God because they never got the air time from the world or popularity.

same could of happened with church fathers.

i googled the issue and it seems like dispensationalists are mostly baptist pentecostals and non-denominationals.
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There are different types of dispensationalists.

Let me put a simple point to you.
After the cross, we believers are filled with the Holy Spirit.
The Kingdom of God on earth.

Before the coming of the Holy Spirit into our hearts, everything was through the temple
with faith and a more distant relationship.

So there is a difference in intimacy, and experience in Christ that needs to be recognised.
But the principles of righteous walking, faith and love have never changed.

Various other dispensationalists will argue they have, and each dispensation had a different
way of coming to God.

Some will say we are now in the dispensation of grace where behaviour does not bring judgement
only belief in Christ sets us free, and unbelief sends one to hell.

For many this does not work because it creates a sinful church being called Holy, and the cross
being a distant redemption without the reality in our hearts.
 
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Melach said:
the most popular people arent always right. i often think about it

we got the early church fathers but who else was there? probably someone. like today who is the big name preachers? maybe joel osteen, benny hinn, billy graham, david herzog, joyce mayer. these are popular people today but maybe they are not right. same like the church fathers.

when we look back at this day in 2300 we will say these names but we will not bring up that small church in the countryside with a pastor and flock thats in the truth and wholly dedicated to God because they never got the air time from the world or popularity.

same could of happened with church fathers.

i googled the issue and it seems like dispensationalists are mostly baptist pentecostals and non-denominationals.
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Jesus will be sitting on his throne ruling with a rod of iron by 2300.....and just saying.....who cares what any man thinks popular or not.....at the end of the day the word of God has the final say on everything for sure ;)
 
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dcontroversal said:
What does the bolded mean!
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i explained it in post below that:

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that dispensationalists have this teaching that big difference between church and israel. israel is in one train track and church is on another train track. now God deals with church then when the rapture happens God goes again to israel track

i see it as one train track made of jews and gentiles that is church for all saved people. "

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Some will say we are now in the dispensation of grace where behaviour does not bring judgement
only belief in Christ sets us free, and unbelief sends one to hell.

For many this does not work because it creates a sinful church being called Holy, and the cross
being a distant redemption without the reality in our hearts.
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i have never been to dispensational church i dont think but i have listened to sermons recently on the internet.

they do believe that behavior does bring judgement but its earthly chastisement, loss of joy, rewards, or God can take you out early, but they dont believe you can lose your salvation.

why we cant lose it is because its not our salvation to begin with, salvation is of the Lord. thats what i came to realize. have you seen the verse that says "beginning in the spirit now you finish with human effort"? thats in galatians. so its all grace not half-grace half-human efffort thats a wrong gospel and st.paul says only one gospel saves the others is accursed

i can give a witness maybe nobody cares nobody knows me here but since i believed the real gospel my sinning hasnt increased at all but my love for the Lord and His grace has increased and anxiety lessened.

i leave you with this verses:


1 John 5:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
 
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Melach said:
i explained it in post below that:

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that dispensationalists have this teaching that big difference between church and israel. israel is in one train track and church is on another train track. now God deals with church then when the rapture happens God goes again to israel track

i see it as one train track made of jews and gentiles that is church for all saved people. "

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While I agree with the last line we cannot alleviate the truth that God did indeed cut the Jews off temporarily so salvation can come to the Gentiles.....now in Christ the two have become ONE.....and yet nationally (Isaiah, Zechariah) there are yet prophesies that deal with Israel as a nation and people.........

I do NOT AGREE, BELIEVE or promote the REPLACEMENT blather that is peddled by many..........as a matter of fact Israel was called the CHURCH (ASSEMBLY) of the 1st born in the wilderness.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
.at the end of the day the word of God has the final say on everything for sure ;)
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And it's a good job he knows what he is doing.

God's mercy is shown through his justice.
Sin was dealt with on the cross (his justice) and as a result his mercy is given to those who look to him for salvation.

Romans 3:24-26
24 Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

Let's make no mistake here.

He will judge according to justice that was satisfied and to the mercy granted to those who accept it.

BASED ON HIS TERMS.
NO BARTERING ALLOWED.
 
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Melach said:
i have never been to dispensational church i dont think but i have listened to sermons recently on the internet.

they do believe that behavior does bring judgement but its earthly chastisement, loss of joy, rewards, or God can take you out early, but they dont believe you can lose your salvation.

why we cant lose it is because its not our salvation to begin with, salvation is of the Lord. thats what i came to realize. have you seen the verse that says "beginning in the spirit now you finish with human effort"? thats in galatians. so its all grace not half-grace half-human efffort thats a wrong gospel and st.paul says only one gospel saves the others is accursed

i can give a witness maybe nobody cares nobody knows me here but since i believed the real gospel my sinning hasnt increased at all but my love for the Lord and His grace has increased and anxiety lessened.

i leave you with this verses:


1 John 5:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
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The person you responded to wants to take you back to the law pretty much, without taking you back to law (works) And he is not open to try to understand what people believe, so if your going to try to see from hiim what others believe, I would not consider it s reliable source
 
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Melach said:
i have never been to dispensational church i dont think but i have listened to sermons recently on the internet.

they do believe that behavior does bring judgement but its earthly chastisement, loss of joy, rewards, or God can take you out early, but they dont believe you can lose your salvation.

why we cant lose it is because its not our salvation to begin with, salvation is of the Lord. thats what i came to realize. have you seen the verse that says "beginning in the spirit now you finish with human effort"? thats in galatians. so its all grace not half-grace half-human efffort thats a wrong gospel and st.paul says only one gospel saves the others is accursed

i can give a witness maybe nobody cares nobody knows me here but since i believed the real gospel my sinning hasnt increased at all but my love for the Lord and His grace has increased and anxiety lessened.

i leave you with this verses:


1 John 5:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
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"since i believed the real gospel my sinning hasnt increased at all but my love for the Lord and His grace has increased and anxiety lessened. "

This is the strangest sentence I have read regarding a testimony of coming to faith.
I am glad you have love for the Lord, I hope the Lord leads you closer to Him as
you walk and get to know His word, God bless you
 
Melach

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FollowHisSteps said:
"since i believed the real gospel my sinning hasnt increased at all but my love for the Lord and His grace has increased and anxiety lessened. "

This is the strangest sentence I have read regarding a testimony of coming to faith.
I am glad you have love for the Lord, I hope the Lord leads you closer to Him as
you walk and get to know His word, God bless you
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its not strange because i answered your question or accusation about that gospel causing sinners in church and i said no i didnt sin more than before with that.
 
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Melach said:
they do believe that behavior does bring judgement but its earthly chastisement, loss of joy, rewards, or God can take you out early, but they dont believe you can lose your salvation.
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Right!
Melach said:
1 John 5:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
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Amen! (y)
 
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