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Yeah, I can't do it by myself. It takes the grace of God, but I do have to be willing and obedient. "I" have to draw nigh to God and follow him.

Paul said:
2 Timothy 4:7-8 King James Version (KJV)
7 "I" have fought a good fight, "I" have finished my course, "I" have kept the faith:

8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Nobody can do it themselves....JESUS was clear.....without me you can do nothing..........
 

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2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
 
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2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
AMEN for sure..........!!
 

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i hate the works salvation double talk

two sided tongues

you are saved by grace through faith not of works, but the kicker is you have to maintain that salvation by a certain level of righteousness.

its like you get ripped off in car deal. you buy bugatti yet its repainted 90s toyota corolla. rust is painted over now you have to maintain it
wasnt a fresh bugatti


they put burdens on others but dont do it themselves.
 
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I understand you may think it’s funny business, but I think differently.
Sure........and what you understand is not what you think you understand.....so......the entire comment above is flippant and not correct.....answer the question....

Who teaches a child how to lie? <----NO ONE......why is that?
 
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so true DC, but our real joy comes when we start to see the fruit of our labors in 'over-coming' our 'old-nature'
day-by-day, and realizing that we are pleasing in God's eyes in our faithfulness...
So true oldethennew so what are some of things that the law will be upon people.

Gala 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

being unloving,unjoyful,unpeaceful,unpatience,unkindness,ungoodness,unfaithfulness,ungentleness, un self control.

Matt 7:7
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and it will be opened unto you

means we as people need to strive and have the qualities of the fruit of the spirit
 
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Sure........and what you understand is not what you think you understand.....so......the entire comment above is flippant and not correct.....answer the question....

Who teaches a child how to lie? <----NO ONE......why is that?
temptations, do you remember the first time you sinned, if not surely a God knows when we all sinned for the first time in our lives

Sorry my friend but I’m not going to bite on the colorful wording.
 
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Again I’m going to post the things that are against the fruit of the spirit.

Gala 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

being unloving,unjoyful,unpeaceful,unpatience,unkindness,ungoodness,unfaithfulness,ungentleness, un self control, these things are law.
 
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We will be spit out Luke warm if we don’t strive to have qualities of the spirit. today has been a eye opener for me for I have lacked many of these qualities of the spirit, and I see my errors. can others see theirs I hope so.
 
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We will be spit out Luke warm if we don’t strive to have qualities of the spirit. today has been a eye opener for me for I have lacked many of these qualities of the spirit, and I see my errors. can others see theirs I hope so.
Being "Luke Warm" is not directly about the fruits of the spirit....perhaps go back and see what Jesus states.
 
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1 cor 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal.
 

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Being "Luke Warm" is not directly about the fruits of the spirit....perhaps go back and see what Jesus states.
what is luke warm? ive always thinked about that. who is luke warm?

hot = you are living in God's will, obeying and living righteous, helping others, doing fruits of the spirit
cold = you are not living in God's will, or maybe the cold even means you arent even saved but are atheist or idolater?
 
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temptations, do you remember the first time you sinned, if not surely a God knows when we all sinned for the first time in our lives

Sorry my friend but I’m not going to bite on the colorful wording.
Because You know a truthful answer discredits your view...case closed

Thanks for confirming your stance
 
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Being "Luke Warm" is not directly about the fruits of the spirit....perhaps go back and see what Jesus states.
Every wind of doctrine comes because of people taking scripture out of context to "hang" a point on it.......that was a prime example......shakes head at this type of approach by people that CLAIM to know the Lord....
 
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what is luke warm? ive always thinked about that. who is luke warm?

hot = you are living in God's will, obeying and living righteous, helping others, doing fruits of the spirit
cold = you are not living in God's will, or maybe the cold even means you arent even saved but are atheist or idolater?
The concept behind that verse is being refreshing....like a cup of HOT coffee or a glass of Ice Cold tea <----luke warm gets spewed.......think about that....
 
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1 cor 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal.
There are several "tongues" thread to choose from...this is not one of them
 
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So true oldethennew so what are some of things that the law will be upon people.

Gala 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

being unloving,unjoyful,unpeaceful,unpatience,unkindness,ungoodness,unfaithfulness,ungentleness, un self control.

Matt 7:7
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and it will be opened unto you

means we as people need to strive and have the qualities of the fruit of the spirit
We need to strive to have????/ That is not biblical....they are the RESULTS of having the Spirit and being BORN again from above.......

WOW.....man...doing what you did in the bolded is not biblical and is not even close to being honest with the context of both verse references......
 
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Because You know a truthful answer discredits your view...case closed

Thanks for confirming your stance
using derogatory wording does know one any good especially you, for you like to use them. from my point of view you are a aggressive person and at some point in conversations you resort to these things I don't why only you do.

we should be able to debate without bashing each others over the head.