Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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NONE VERIFIABLE!
What HAS been verified, is a group or even individuals, praying to the Lord during times when people would seemingly definitely die. THAT is the type of healing that the Lord does, and for HIS purposes. Not some person that has the power to go around healing people, but never does so it's verifiable.
What HAS been verified, is a group or even individuals, praying to the Lord during times when people would seemingly definitely die. THAT is the type of healing that the Lord does, and for HIS purposes. Not some person that has the power to go around healing people, but never does so it's verifiable.
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A question for those who believe that baptism is necessary for salvation, that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues comes after salvation.
In Acts 10 we have the record of Peter going to Cornelius house and preaching the Gospel.
As Peter was preaching, the Holy Spirit fell on the congregation and they began to speak in tongues.
Peter than baptized them.
What happened? How is it they were baptized of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues BEFORE they were saved by water baptism?
In Acts 10 we have the record of Peter going to Cornelius house and preaching the Gospel.
As Peter was preaching, the Holy Spirit fell on the congregation and they began to speak in tongues.
Peter than baptized them.
What happened? How is it they were baptized of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues BEFORE they were saved by water baptism?
This user is indifferent to others. Not seeing others such as brothers or sisters in Christ. This user must not be a true believer of scripture if he cannot realize this inevidible underlying truth in scripture.
Brother this isnt how you should treat others. Were not users. I took offense to that. But this is your typical approach. And youre no different to most people on this site. All disrespect across the board regardless of your ideolegy.
You keep relying on "saved" doctrine. That manmade doctrine is false and is not found in scripture. Jesus never taught a "saved" doctrine. He said leave everything and follow me. So were they saved the minute they left everything? Well if you get your eyes off of being saved and drop that corrupt doctrine you might learn a thing or two.
You keep insisting whether salvation takes place when you get baptized or after you get baptized, well guess what.. salvation happends when you die. And not all will be saved if you do not continue in Christ as some have drawn back to the things of the world.
Saved doctrine is gargabe. And you can dislike my comment it is expected because what Christ taught was destested and so shall we be destested for preaching the TRUTH. Our eyes are on Christ not on "being saved". Ive told you that since day one. You merely look at everything from being saved perspective and that perspective is greatly erred. And serves no one any purpose, but rather sends many to hell on a false premises.
Serving Christ is the objective and surrending our own will. If you put saved in the equation, it should be a joy to know and hope for the future. Knowing we will not taste death and are children of God heirs of the kingdom of God and New Jerusalem. Did you get that when you were baptized or when you believed is absurd. We dont have that yet, or you must believe you are already in your perfect new body and walking Gods streets of Gold?
Water baptizm is a command from God we must follow. Holy Spirit baptizm is receiving the gift of God that He promised. Being heirs with Christ having Gods Spirit that allows us to be inside the trinity. Father, Word, and Holy Spirit. These 3 are One. We are entered into the trinity through the gift of the Holy Spirit. We are then sealed and our names written in the lambs book. If we continue and remain. We do not want our names blotted out of the lambs book of God, or for God to forget He ever knew us.
For when the disciples walked with Christ and knew Him they were still as not yet converted until they received the Holy Spirit. So is the same goes with all believers. We do not automatically receive the Holy Spirit just because we believe. Even the demons, satanist, and pagans believe. That is not enough to be a child of God, much less"saved".
This problem begins is the "saved" doctrine approach. The belief that if we believe we are "saved". Scripture tells us we will be saved if we believe. This should not have been made doctrine. The scripture says alot of things, we shouldnt make it doctrine just because it is written.
Being saved is a matter of being saved from sin. Sin leads to death. Jesus has saved us from the snare of the devil. What is the point in making that doctrine? Especially when the saved doctrine implies something different and is contradictory to scripture. Your very arguements are based on a false doctrine and not on scripture. Your own personal beliefs, these are not biblical. You must believe, you must be baptized, you must receive the Holy Spirit, you must forgive, you must love your neighbor, you must love God above all else and follow His command. Which one gets you saved or which order to be saved is ridiculous. Saved doctrine belongs in the trash can. Follow Christ is the way to heaven. No other way. And that includes saved doctrine which claims you only need to believe. This contradicts scripture.
You can slice and dice it ten ways till sunday, but until you remove this huge error you cannot advance in these petty arguements.
God bless you all.
Brother this isnt how you should treat others. Were not users. I took offense to that. But this is your typical approach. And youre no different to most people on this site. All disrespect across the board regardless of your ideolegy.
You keep relying on "saved" doctrine. That manmade doctrine is false and is not found in scripture. Jesus never taught a "saved" doctrine. He said leave everything and follow me. So were they saved the minute they left everything? Well if you get your eyes off of being saved and drop that corrupt doctrine you might learn a thing or two.
You keep insisting whether salvation takes place when you get baptized or after you get baptized, well guess what.. salvation happends when you die. And not all will be saved if you do not continue in Christ as some have drawn back to the things of the world.
Saved doctrine is gargabe. And you can dislike my comment it is expected because what Christ taught was destested and so shall we be destested for preaching the TRUTH. Our eyes are on Christ not on "being saved". Ive told you that since day one. You merely look at everything from being saved perspective and that perspective is greatly erred. And serves no one any purpose, but rather sends many to hell on a false premises.
Serving Christ is the objective and surrending our own will. If you put saved in the equation, it should be a joy to know and hope for the future. Knowing we will not taste death and are children of God heirs of the kingdom of God and New Jerusalem. Did you get that when you were baptized or when you believed is absurd. We dont have that yet, or you must believe you are already in your perfect new body and walking Gods streets of Gold?
Water baptizm is a command from God we must follow. Holy Spirit baptizm is receiving the gift of God that He promised. Being heirs with Christ having Gods Spirit that allows us to be inside the trinity. Father, Word, and Holy Spirit. These 3 are One. We are entered into the trinity through the gift of the Holy Spirit. We are then sealed and our names written in the lambs book. If we continue and remain. We do not want our names blotted out of the lambs book of God, or for God to forget He ever knew us.
For when the disciples walked with Christ and knew Him they were still as not yet converted until they received the Holy Spirit. So is the same goes with all believers. We do not automatically receive the Holy Spirit just because we believe. Even the demons, satanist, and pagans believe. That is not enough to be a child of God, much less"saved".
This problem begins is the "saved" doctrine approach. The belief that if we believe we are "saved". Scripture tells us we will be saved if we believe. This should not have been made doctrine. The scripture says alot of things, we shouldnt make it doctrine just because it is written.
Being saved is a matter of being saved from sin. Sin leads to death. Jesus has saved us from the snare of the devil. What is the point in making that doctrine? Especially when the saved doctrine implies something different and is contradictory to scripture. Your very arguements are based on a false doctrine and not on scripture. Your own personal beliefs, these are not biblical. You must believe, you must be baptized, you must receive the Holy Spirit, you must forgive, you must love your neighbor, you must love God above all else and follow His command. Which one gets you saved or which order to be saved is ridiculous. Saved doctrine belongs in the trash can. Follow Christ is the way to heaven. No other way. And that includes saved doctrine which claims you only need to believe. This contradicts scripture.
You can slice and dice it ten ways till sunday, but until you remove this huge error you cannot advance in these petty arguements.
God bless you all.
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Why don`t they go out into the open fields and do their healing , Jesus was not confined to buildings...
Not everyone has money to go to these T.V studios , or can travel to the conventions , but am sure the Holy Spirit would lead them to the lost and broken , and downtrodden people...
We are told to go OUT , not keep it all in buildings that some cost so much money , more than a person can earn in a lifetime...
Tongues is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit right ? , so is it not a gift from God to be used for His selective purposes...xox...
Why don`t they go out into the open fields and do their healing , Jesus was not confined to buildings...
Not everyone has money to go to these T.V studios , or can travel to the conventions , but am sure the Holy Spirit would lead them to the lost and broken , and downtrodden people...
We are told to go OUT , not keep it all in buildings that some cost so much money , more than a person can earn in a lifetime...
Tongues is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit right ? , so is it not a gift from God to be used for His selective purposes...xox...
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interesting since I have never told any person in CC that they are not saved at any time
salvation is personal BUT also being a part of the body of Christ. I will grant you that not everyone seems to understand that
what is nonsense is you saying this:
your anger will be seen? nonsense
as an aside, I never said anyone has to speak in tongues. in fact, the opposite
maybe you are hungry. get a coffee and a doughnut or something. according to an advert on tv, we are not ourselves when we are hungry
salvation is personal BUT also being a part of the body of Christ. I will grant you that not everyone seems to understand that
what is nonsense is you saying this:
your anger will be seen? nonsense
as an aside, I never said anyone has to speak in tongues. in fact, the opposite
maybe you are hungry. get a coffee and a doughnut or something. according to an advert on tv, we are not ourselves when we are hungry
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I am sorry my friend, I can not see people who teach a different gospel as my brother or sister. Paul did not see them that way, He had a word for them.
And by the way, Speaking in tongues is not a salvic issue, What a person believes concerning tongues has no bearing on ones salvation. So before you try to attack with a false truth. Thought I would cut you off first.
And by the way, Speaking in tongues is not a salvic issue, What a person believes concerning tongues has no bearing on ones salvation. So before you try to attack with a false truth. Thought I would cut you off first.
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John said to test all spirits
He said that we do not know all the things he did. He did not say God purposely kept the fact that Jesus through people to the ground and stood them up and let them fall multiple times before he helaed them
When jesus and any aposlte said you are healed. They were healed IMMEDIATELY
You are on dangerous ground sis, the people you are listenign to have led you astray.
He said that we do not know all the things he did. He did not say God purposely kept the fact that Jesus through people to the ground and stood them up and let them fall multiple times before he helaed them
When jesus and any aposlte said you are healed. They were healed IMMEDIATELY
You are on dangerous ground sis, the people you are listenign to have led you astray.
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many actually do Rosemary
many actually do
however, do you think people are healing or is it God?
you know, walking in the Spirit does not mean we use God. He, uses us
there are all kinds of missionaries in war torn countries...some are captured and killed..Christians are persecuted
we support an organization that smuggles Bibles into countries where they are forbidden
and many other examples of how Christians do what the Bible says to do
maybe do some research instead of flinging stones at what you apparently know little about
many actually do
however, do you think people are healing or is it God?
you know, walking in the Spirit does not mean we use God. He, uses us
there are all kinds of missionaries in war torn countries...some are captured and killed..Christians are persecuted
we support an organization that smuggles Bibles into countries where they are forbidden
and many other examples of how Christians do what the Bible says to do
maybe do some research instead of flinging stones at what you apparently know little about
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