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cgneustar said:
God has a Law, it is the Torah, which commands, "You SHALL love your neighbor as yourself" and "you SHALL give to your brother in need". These are not optional statements, these are commands. We are commanded to do good and love our neighbor.
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Jesus gave us a new law. To love others as He has loved us. That is over and above all law.
 
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You can be fooled by one coming to you for a handout. But, when operating in Holy Spirit, one discerns the heart and you follow the Lord. Do you understand?
 
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stonesoffire said:
Jesus gave us a new law. To love others as He has loved us. That is over and above all law.
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Love your neighbor as yourself is not a new law, it was already commanded in the Torah, "you SHALL love your neighbor as yourself". The Messiah simply repeated what was already in the Law of God, and built upon it giving us new revelation based upon that Law, but not discarding it, which is what you people do. That is why not only do you people believe that the Torah has been discarded, but you also think doing good works are not required. You are a fruitless and lawless bunch, worse than the Pharisees, who at least knew the Torah had to be obeyed, even though that just like you people, they thought doing good works was optional, not required.
 
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You do not understand Holy Spirit and the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus that delivered us from the law of sin and death.

I have nothing more to say except repent and turn to the Lord Jesus for forgiveness of sin. Then ask Him to baptize you in Holy Spirit.
 
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cgneustar said:
Love your neighbor as yourself is not a new law, it was already commanded in the Torah, "you SHALL love your neighbor as yourself". The Messiah simply repeated what was already in the Law of God, and built upon it giving us new revelation based upon that Law, but not discarding it, which is what you people do. That is why not only do you people believe that the Torah has been discarded, but you also think doing good works are not required. You are a fruitless and lawless bunch, worse than the Pharisees, who at least knew the Torah had to be obeyed, even though that just like you people, they thought doing good works was optional, not required.
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you got anything on the definition of sin? I quoted it to you yesterday?


also, the Sermon on the Mount is the gold standard for Christ followers to act like.

do you keep those standards every hour of every day?
 
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stonesoffire said:
You do not understand Holy Spirit and the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus that delivered us from the law of sin and death.

I have nothing more to say except repent and turn to the Lord Jesus for forgiveness of sin. Then ask Him to baptize you in Holy Spirit.
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It is comical that the one saying "good works are not required" is telling the one saying "good works are required" to repent, as if the one who thinks he does not need to help someone half dead on the street is more righteous than he who knows that helping a man half dead on the street is commanded by God and thus required. But so be it, remain in ignorance, I have the satisfaction in the knowledge of the truth that I will be proven right in the day of judgment, when those who thought doing good works was optional are thrown into aeonial fire, which is what they deserve, versus those who knew God requires and wants us to do good works and actually performed those good works.
 
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cgneustar said:
I have the satisfaction in the knowledge of the truth that I will be proven right in the day of judgment, when those who thought doing good works was optional are thrown into aeonial fire,
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That gives you satisfaction?
That you will be proven right?
You need Jesus more than he needs you.
I cannot believe that someone would be satisfied that someone is going to hell.
Trust me on judgement day you will prove nothing.

You have stated that God predestined those who he will save, yet one can lose their salvation. If they were predestined in the first place then they cannot lose something they never had.
 
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BillG said:
That gives you satisfaction?
That you will be proven right?
You need Jesus more than he needs you.
I cannot believe that someone would be satisfied that someone is going to hell.
Trust me on judgement day you will prove nothing.

You have stated that God predestined those who he will save, yet one can lose their salvation. If they were predestined in the first place then they cannot lose something they never had.
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Yes, because the justice of God will be executed on the earth. I grow weary seeing the poor being taking advantage of and being ignored, especially from people who call themselves "believers". So yes, I will be satisfied when those who say "doing good works is optional" are thrown into aeonial fire, because that is what they deserve, thinking that helping their brother in need is optional, and not commanded by God. This is evil.
 
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Yes, because the justice of God will be executed on the earth. I grow weary seeing the poor being taking advantage of and being ignored, especially from people who call themselves "believers". So yes, I will be satisfied when those who say "doing good works is optional" are thrown into aeonial fire, because that is what they deserve, thinking that helping their brother in need is optional, and not commanded by God. This is evil.
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I disagree with your satisfaction aspect.
I am sure God is not satisfied with sending people to hell. He executes his justice.

But he so loved the world.

I am not aware of anyone on here saying that as believers we will not do good works or not want to do them
They are saying that these works will not save us, but we are saved by faith to do goods works out of love of Jesus and for Jesus and those who he has given us.

We will not always get it right and that is why we have an advocate in heaven.

You say we have been given the Torah, does this include the Levitical Laws?

I would be interested to hear your response on my thoughts concerning predestination that I have raised with you.

Finally for me works do not save us, faith in the risen Lord saves us. Out of which works follow.

If one has no interest in wanting to be like Jesus and doing what he has asked us to do then we need to talk to them.

If it's apparent that Jesus is an easy meal ticket then shake the dust off.

But please remember that people grow at different rates. God needs to heal in order to manifest himself in those he has called.
 
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BillG said:
I disagree with your satisfaction aspect.
I am sure God is not satisfied with sending people to hell. He executes his justice.

But he so loved the world.

I am not aware of anyone on here saying that as believers we will not do good works or not want to do them
They are saying that these works will not save us, but we are saved by faith to do goods works out of love of Jesus and for Jesus and those who he has given us.

We will not always get it right and that is why we have an advocate in heaven.

You say we have been given the Torah, does this include the Levitical Laws?

I would be interested to hear your response on my thoughts concerning predestination that I have raised with you.

Finally for me works do not save us, faith in the risen Lord saves us. Out of which works follow.

If one has no interest in wanting to be like Jesus and doing what he has asked us to do then we need to talk to them.

If it's apparent that Jesus is an easy meal ticket then shake the dust off.

But please remember that people grow at different rates. God needs to heal in order to manifest himself in those he has called.
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I do not desire anyone to be condemned, because I desire everyone to repent from their evil works and begin to do good works. But I understand that most people will continue to refuse to cease doing evil works and refuse to do good works. So in that regard, I desire the wrath of God to be demonstrated against these, because this is just and well deserved, to those who continually reject the truth and continue doing evil and refusing to do good.

Also, you are the first to ask an excellent question, "you say we have been given the Torah, does this include the Levitical Laws?" And the answer is no, because the priesthood of the Messiah replaced the priesthood of the Levites, which implies all Levitical commands of the Torah have also been changed. This is why we are not required to bring sacrifices and offerings to a temple, not just because a temple does not exist, but because of the change of the Torah that came as a result of a change in the priesthood. Read my bible study regarding this http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/02/14/the-torah-has-not-been-abolished/ .

As far as predestination goes, God does indeed predestine. I discuss this here, http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/03/05/the-predestination-of-god/ . I don't recall what questions you had specifically, but feel free to ask me whatever you'd like now.
 
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cgneustar said:
Love your neighbor as yourself is not a new law, it was already commanded in the Torah, "you SHALL love your neighbor as yourself". The Messiah simply repeated what was already in the Law of God, and built upon it giving us new revelation based upon that Law, but not discarding it, which is what you people do. That is why not only do you people believe that the Torah has been discarded, but you also think doing good works are not required. You are a fruitless and lawless bunch, worse than the Pharisees, who at least knew the Torah had to be obeyed, even though that just like you people, they thought doing good works was optional, not required.
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Um wrong

The law told you to love your nieghbor (as in other jews)

Jesus said love all people including your enemy. That is not found in the torah.
 
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gb9 said:
you got anything on the definition of sin? I quoted it to you yesterday?


also, the Sermon on the Mount is the gold standard for Christ followers to act like.

do you keep those standards every hour of every day?
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Where do these people come from bro???
 
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cgneustar said:
Yes, because the justice of God will be executed on the earth. I grow weary seeing the poor being taking advantage of and being ignored, especially from people who call themselves "believers". So yes, I will be satisfied when those who say "doing good works is optional" are thrown into aeonial fire, because that is what they deserve, thinking that helping their brother in need is optional, and not commanded by God. This is evil.
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Whats worse

The so called believer who does nto help others

Or the proud believer who goes around judging others?

I think jesus said both are just as dangerous. He said he will resist the proud. But give mercy to the humble..

I would be seeking for mercy, not be proud to think I am so great.
 
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gb9 said:
anyone who just shows up, starts to berate others, and then starts to push a website, might as well just move along. nothing to see ...
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I did nto see the website thing, I been conversing with him in the law thread, just got here, still going back..
If he is doing that, will not last long
 
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cgneustar said:
I do not desire anyone to be condemned, because I desire everyone to repent from their evil works and begin to do good works. But I understand that most people will continue to refuse to cease doing evil works and refuse to do good works. So in that regard, I desire the wrath of God to be demonstrated against these, because this is just and well deserved, to those who continually reject the truth and continue doing evil and refusing to do good.

Also, you are the first to ask an excellent question, "you say we have been given the Torah, does this include the Levitical Laws?" And the answer is no, because the priesthood of the Messiah replaced the priesthood of the Levites, which implies all Levitical commands of the Torah have also been changed. This is why we are not required to bring sacrifices and offerings to a temple, not just because a temple does not exist, but because of the change of the Torah that came as a result of a change in the priesthood. Read my bible study regarding this http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/02/14/the-torah-has-not-been-abolished/ .

As far as predestination goes, God does indeed predestine. I discuss this here, http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/03/05/the-predestination-of-god/ . I don't recall what questions you had specifically, but feel free to ask me whatever you'd like now.
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here is the website pushing.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Um wrong

The law told you to love your nieghbor (as in other jews)

Jesus said love all people including your enemy. That is not found in the torah.
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That is because men of other nations are not our true enemy, Satan is our true enemy, who we must hate and not love.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Whats worse

The so called believer who does nto help others

Or the proud believer who goes around judging others?

I think jesus said both are just as dangerous. He said he will resist the proud. But give mercy to the humble..

I would be seeking for mercy, not be proud to think I am so great.
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We are commanded by the Torah to rebuke. And you people hate instruction and correction. What instruction do you hate? That we are obligated to give to the poor. This itself demonstrates how lost you people truly are without even realizing it.
 
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