Do you want the truth? Here is the truth about eschatology
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Now you are changing what you said......Mr. Twisty.......so, what religion are you? Why won't you answer. You are also lying......
delirious said:
Adam was created from the dust. Christ is a Spirit. God is a Spirit (John 4:23-24)
delirious said:
Adam was created from the dust. Christ is a Spirit. God is a Spirit (John 4:23-24)
Saying it all went down around 70AD is naming the day and hour that’s pretty simple anology on m
O I see now, yes that’s odd, the whole point of coming in the flesh was dying in flesh and resurrect back in the same flesh, surely the wounds where healed to a point that blood wasn’t spewing out. but like the people who He raised from the dead the issues that caused death were gone.
O I see now, yes that’s odd, the whole point of coming in the flesh was dying in flesh and resurrect back in the same flesh, surely the wounds where healed to a point that blood wasn’t spewing out. but like the people who He raised from the dead the issues that caused death were gone.
I presented dozens of verses in the original post of this thread which no one has bothered to try and answer in a comprehensive way. Someone tried to pick and choose a few and tried to get around them. No one has built a comprehensive argument from Scripture saying to me that those verses don't mean what I claim and that I have misunderstood them. If someone has such an argument I am willing to listen.
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Act 10:40 (YLT) `This one God did raise up the third day, and gave him to become manifest,
41 not to all the people, but to witnesses, to those having been chosen before by God--to us who did eat with him , and did drink with him, after his rising out of the dead
If Jesus' resurrection body was in flesh, that verse has no sense. I can see that Jesus was resurrected in spirit, and it was allowed by God to appear just to his disciples. That is what this says, and I believe so. Same thing angels did (even Jesus himself) in the old times.
41 not to all the people, but to witnesses, to those having been chosen before by God--to us who did eat with him , and did drink with him, after his rising out of the dead
If Jesus' resurrection body was in flesh, that verse has no sense. I can see that Jesus was resurrected in spirit, and it was allowed by God to appear just to his disciples. That is what this says, and I believe so. Same thing angels did (even Jesus himself) in the old times.
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"37 But having been terrified, and having been filled with fear, they were thinking themselves to see a spirit.
38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts come up in your hearts? 39 See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having.” 40 And having said this, He showed to them the hands and the feet.
41 And while they still were disbelieving for joy and were wondering, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 And they gave to Him part of a broiled fish.b 43 And having taken it, He ate it before them."
Note, He doesn't say, "as ye see me appear to have"
[Phil3:21 - "who will transform our body of humiliation, conformed to the body of His glory, according to the working enabling Him even to subdue all things to Himself."]
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I'm not twisting anything. Christ is a Spirit NOW. He is still an individual entity also. He was a spirit before the incarnation. During the incarnation He was a physical man who lived a perfect life and died in the flesh for the sins of the world. He redeemed His creation.
This is why Jesus makes statements like these: Luke 24:44, "Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
What does Jesus mean by "while I was still with you"? Isn't He talking to them right then? He was not "in the flesh" anymore. He had passed into the spirit. Angels have the ability to take on human form but they are not flesh. Neither is Jesus.
Once again 1 Cor 15:42-50 confirms this. Adam was of the dust and flesh. Christ is a life-giving Spirit.
This is why Jesus makes statements like these: Luke 24:44, "Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
What does Jesus mean by "while I was still with you"? Isn't He talking to them right then? He was not "in the flesh" anymore. He had passed into the spirit. Angels have the ability to take on human form but they are not flesh. Neither is Jesus.
Once again 1 Cor 15:42-50 confirms this. Adam was of the dust and flesh. Christ is a life-giving Spirit.
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Well, I agree with delirius about the spiritual resurrection of Jesus. I guess you're not including me in that "we".
If Jesus had a spiritual body before he was a human, what's the problem if he took it back on his resurrection? Does not say the Bible that Jesus was made inferior to the angels when became a man? He can not be inferior to the angels in heaven too; that's impossible.
Joh 17:5 (YLT) `And now, glorify me, Thou Father, with Thyself, with the glory that I had before the world was, with Thee;
Heb 2:9 (YLT) and him who was made some little less than messengers we see--Jesus--because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.
If Jesus had a spiritual body before he was a human, what's the problem if he took it back on his resurrection? Does not say the Bible that Jesus was made inferior to the angels when became a man? He can not be inferior to the angels in heaven too; that's impossible.
Joh 17:5 (YLT) `And now, glorify me, Thou Father, with Thyself, with the glory that I had before the world was, with Thee;
Heb 2:9 (YLT) and him who was made some little less than messengers we see--Jesus--because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.
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