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UnderGrace

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#81
beneficial mutation
Now this would be a good place to start, we have antibiotic resistance can we determine this to be an observable beneficial mutation?
 

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Kaylagirl, Noose, there is clearly no shared grounding in scientific methodology that would enable us to continue any meaningful discussion on either evolution by natural selection or evolutionary linguistics.

Any more chatter between us on the topics is relatively pointless.
 
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Beneficial to bacteria, yes.
Very true.

Yet Mr. Ohm.... is this not a problem then, what is beneficial for one organism can be to the detriment of another?
What mechanism ensures the overall benefit over detriment?

My understanding as bacteria continue to build structures that help them survive by sharing DNA, on could emerge, or maybe has emerged I have not read on this for a while, that could destroy the most evolved being on the planet that seems problematic to evolutionary theory.
 

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You cannot equate the theory of evolution by natural selection with a form of political indoctrination. Evolution is the most studied, verified, evidenced scientific theory in the history of this planet. And that's what it is: science. It's not a political argument. It's not a belief system. It is an explanation for a plethora of scientific facts.

That isn't politics.
If they try to enforce evolution without creation they are trying to act as if science is superior to the bible and that my opponent is against my Beliefs!

Parents should have a choice of what is and isn't taught in public schools. If you don't want your children to be taught creation it shouldn't be required. I don't want my grandchildren to be forced to hear Evolution. Science should be a parental choice before the legal age of decision making.

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Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it. (Proverbs 22:6)
 

calibob

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#86
You cannot equate the theory of evolution by natural selection with a form of political indoctrination. Evolution is the most studied, verified, evidenced scientific theory in the history of this planet. And that's what it is: science. It's not a political argument. It's not a belief system. It is an explanation for a plethora of scientific facts.

That isn't politics.
Rather than curse you for your doubts that the bible is the true inspired word of God given to non scientific believers in a way understandable to common uneducated people 2000+ years ago. I pray instead the Holy Spirit shall overcome you and teach you that God is real and science is partially man made.

There is no preponderance of evidence of the evidence that modern man is a descendant of Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon or Troglodytes. We were a new creation. Separate but different from the preceding species. Able to build and design, farm, read and write. We developed a morality beyond that of animals. We are not descendants of cave men.

In Genesis 6 it says the sons of God married the daughters of men. The daughters of man may have been decendants of cave men. Just before the flood. The flood is recognized worldwide by Anthropologists and Archeologists. It happened!

Humble yourself and really ask the Lord, sincerely to show himself to you... If you dare and are humble enough to receive! Your whole view of the world will change! Mine did.
 

calibob

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#87
God created Woolly Mammoth's, Mastodon's, Indian and African Elephants. Why doubt that he could have created different humanoid species, and created the bet last?
 

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#88
most of our founding fathers were deists and they were quite adamant about separation of church and state.
If I wanted a theocracy I would move to Saudi Arabia
Also religion has no place in public schools.
 

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most of our founding fathers were deists and they were quite adamant about separation of church and state.
If I wanted a theocracy I would move to Saudi Arabia
Also religion has no place in public schools.
Neither does anti religion.
 

calibob

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most of our founding fathers were deists
Thats why the nation started so corrupt. Deists and Freemasons are evil. I wish their was an all christian nation who's constitution was the New Testament and nothing else. I'd go there. But all I can do is protest atheism because the only purpose for life is to worship God. Even procreation is in order to give birth to more worshipers and rejoice in the gift of sex between 1 male husband and 1 female wife. The dispensation of bigamy is long over.
 

calibob

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The question remaining is what more important the nation or the gospel? We can't worship both yet.
 

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Thats why the nation started so corrupt. Deists and Freemasons are evil. I wish their was an all christian nation who's constitution was the New Testament and nothing else. I'd go there. But all I can do is protest atheism because the only purpose for life is to worship God. Even procreation is in order to give birth to more worshipers and rejoice in the gift of sex between 1 male husband and 1 female wife. The dispensation of bigamy is long over.
To. say that someone is by default evil because he disagrees with your theology is just being bigoted and ignorant
 

calibob

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just say that someone is by default evil because he disagrees with your theology is just being bigoted and ignorant
All anti-Christians and pan theologists are evil. We are either going to heaven because Jesus paid our debt to sin or we're going to the lake of fire. Life is only temporary. God is eternal.

This is a christian site if you are not a 100% purchased in blood Christian our job is to convert you before you suffer the consequences.
 

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also I would add that some of the nicest kindest people I've met have been atheist and some of the most mean and hateful people I've met have been Christian
being atheist or deist doesn't by default make someone a bad person same as being Christian doesn't by default make someone a good person
 

Dude653

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good or evil are defined. by a person's actions and how they treat people. Not buy what theology they believe
 

calibob

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The Great Commission
Matthew 28:1920 (NIV) Therefore go and make disciples of (1)all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and (2)teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Mark 16:1516 (NIV) He said to them, "Go into all the world and (3)preach the good news to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Those are the most important /orders in the history of mankind!
 

calibob

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also I would add that some of the nicest kindest people I've met have been atheist and some of the most mean and hateful people I've met have been Christian
being atheist or deist doesn't by default make someone a bad person same as being Christian doesn't by default make someone a good person
good or evil are defined. by a person's actions and how they treat people. Not buy what theology they believe
All people are evil by nature! That's why the son Of God was sacrificed for all who will come to believe in him. He is God in the flesh.
 

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The Great Commission
Matthew 28:1920 (NIV) Therefore go and make disciples of (1)all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and (2)teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Mark 16:1516 (NIV) He said to them, "Go into all the world and (3)preach the good news to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Those are the most important /orders in the history of mankind!
Ok cool but just because a person doesn't believe the Bible doesn't mean that person is by default evil.
Hitler used that exact same mentality to murder 6 million Jews.
And if there are evil anyway as you say then why bother trying to convert them?
you honestly sound bat poop crazy right now
 

calibob

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Ok cool but just because a person doesn't believe the Bible doesn't mean that person is by default evil.
Hitler used that exact same mentality to murder 6 million Jews.
And if there are evil anyway as you say then why bother trying to convert them?
you honestly sound bat poop crazy right now
Because their ungodly nature and self serving flesh will be changed after with indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Hitler was an occultist and a member of the Vrill Society. And you sir sound like an agnostic.