Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#422
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
#422
Nat2019 said:
No where in the bible does it say you are saved by the term "Faith alone". It says Abraham was justified by a "COMPLETE" faith meaning Faith that produces good works.
Click to expand...
False again......maybe read and study a little more.....do you believe the word of God

Therefore, we conclude a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law

and

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
 
N

Nat2019

Active member
#423
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#423
Nat2019 said:
No where in the bible does it say you are saved by the term "Faith alone". It says Abraham was justified by a "COMPLETE" faith meaning Faith that produces good works.
Click to expand...
I guess only your opinion matters again:)
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#424
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
#424
Nat2019 said:
1 Timothy 4:1, NIV: "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."
Click to expand...
You should know....what you are peddling is exactly that....

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
 
N

Nat2019

Active member
#425
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#425
dcontroversal said:
False again......maybe read and study a little more.....do you believe the word of God

Therefore, we conclude a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law

and

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
Click to expand...
Your entitled to your beliefs:)
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#426
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
#426
Nat2019 said:
I guess only your opinion matters again:)
Click to expand...
Try this verse and open your eyes

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#427
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
#427
Nat2019 said:
Your entitled to your beliefs:)
Click to expand...
The following verse is clear enough when one is honest

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
 
N

Nat2019

Active member
#428
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#428
It
dcontroversal said:
You should know....what you are peddling is exactly that....

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
Click to expand...
It states a believer can DEPART from the faith:)
 
N

Nat2019

Active member
#429
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#429
dcontroversal said:
Try this verse and open your eyes

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
Click to expand...
Read the other scriptures instead of only ones to do with not performing "good works":). There are many that say you need to Obey God:)
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#431
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
#431
Nat2019 said:
Read the other scriptures instead of only ones to do with not performing "good works":). There are many that say you need to Obey God:)
Click to expand...
There are none that state salvation comes by anything other than faith...None
 
N

Nat2019

Active member
#436
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#436
2 Timothy 2:12, NIV: "if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;"
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#438
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
#438
Nat2019 said:
2 Timothy 2:12, NIV: "if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;"
Click to expand...
Nothing to do with salvation....try looking up the word CONTEXT.....here I will help...

Context
noun
  1. the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.
 
Mii

Mii

Well-known member
#439
Mar 23, 2019
2,082
1,330
113
#439
Nat2019 said:
Is this the scripture?
Click to expand...
Si.

Matthew Ch 13 is what I was referring to.

This discussion in general I have my reservations about OSAS, and that may be true for some.

Phillipians 2:12 is kind of what my overall thought process is atm. People are going to disagree (to a small measure). Jesus has many attributes and it stands to reason that everyone's salvation and sanctification looks a little bit different. Some may have less grace than others for certain things, some a deeper revelation on one attribute than another. One person's story could be marked by the peace and an easy life of praise and thanksgiving and another person could have a brutally hard life and see the Lord's faithfulness in a way that another could not.

We are all unique. What we believe should line up with the word certainly though, I will say that scripture seeds deeper in me everyday and what I thought lined up 10 years ago I KNOW lines up now. Cool process :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.