Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

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Nat2019

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Nat2019 said:
Of course works are a byproduct of Faith.
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Its referring to "works" that aren't done for God. Whether by the Law or without Faith in Jesus. Works that are not done for God- cannot save us.
 
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^ EDIT to add to my post: and Nah… but I must say I HAVE had many excellent teachers/preachers in all my years of being a Christian (and I praise the Lord for that/them!)
 
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I will make this very simple. Faith with (works)

*works are commands in the bible that God has commanded us to do. E.g keep my commandments in the new testament, love your brother, be kind to others, help the poor, help the needy, preach the word of God, love God etc.

We are not saved by works alone. We need faith in Jesus as well.
 
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Nat2019 said:
Works are Gods commands in the bible, everything he tells us to in the NT. If Gods says, love thy brother. In obedience we love thy brother. That means Obeying God
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Yep

And those who trust God do those works.

You seem to think one can say they trust God. Yet not do those works. And that faith be real..

Sorry.. That type of faith will never save anyone.
 
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Nat2019 said:
Of course works are a byproduct of Faith.
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Yep

Thats why ALL who have faith WILL do them

However many CLAIM to have faith HAVE NO WORKS.

So if you do not have the natural byproduct, how can you CLAIM you have faith?

You don't Your faith is DEAD.

SO AS JAMES SAID, CAN THAT FAITH SAVE YOU?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep

And those who trust God do those works.

You seem to think one can say they trust God. Yet not do those works. And that faith be real..

Sorry.. That type of faith will never save anyone.
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I believe exactly what your saying. You are misinterpreting me. I dont believe in Faith Alone.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep

Thats why ALL who have faith WILL do them

However many CLAIM to have faith HAVE NO WORKS.

So if you do not have the natural byproduct, how can you CLAIM you have faith?

You don't Your faith is DEAD.

SO AS JAMES SAID, CAN THAT FAITH SAVE YOU?
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So what's the problem then?
 
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Nat2019 said:
Its referring to "works" that aren't done for God. Whether by the Law or without Faith in Jesus. Works that are not done for God- cannot save us.
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NO

He is talking about works period. A work is done to earn a wage or a reward.

If your working to earn or maintain salvation. Then your working to earn a reward. Thus rejecting the GIFT.

Works also produce fruit. Which will yield a reward for all believers.
 
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The Father The Son The Holy Spirit The Writer of the Word The Living Word The Spirit of the Word within us, LEADING us, guiding us in our walk through this flesh life. WE were created for HIS PLEASURE. How are you doing?

Commandments given By The Living Word written upon the heart and mind (so you can't separate yourself from them, you can't discard them, you can't ignore them, you can't argue whether or not God sees it as important to you, and you ultimately love and think on them,Yeah!!!!!) (Not 4 the 5) and contained within them, the Law and the prophets.


Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near:
Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and He will have mercy upon him and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the LORD.

Remember Cain and Abel. Abel did it Gods way (gave of the first fruits) and Cain did it his way (took from the cursed ground)
Gods Way = Happy God Our way = Not
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep

And those who trust God do those works.

You seem to think one can say they trust God. Yet not do those works. And that faith be real..

Sorry.. That type of faith will never save anyone.
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You have a misunderstood view of those who disagree with OSAS. We never said we believe in good works alone without Christ. That's just a false judgment.
 
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Nat2019 said:
I will make this very simple. Faith with (works)

*works are commands in the bible that God has commanded us to do. E.g keep my commandments in the new testament, love your brother, be kind to others, help the poor, help the needy, preach the word of God, love God etc.

We are not saved by works alone. We need faith in Jesus as well.
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lol

Paul tells us what works are

1. They cause men to boast (eph 2: 8-9)
2. If used for salvation. They produce self righteousness
3. For a true believer, they produce fruit.
4. They (any work of righteousness, be it works of the law or works of the NT) can not save us (titus 3)

Trying to earn grace by works is called legalism, It is called trying to meet some standard. Which god set up as the law. And not submitting to the righteousness of Christ.
 
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Nat2019 said:
You have a misunderstood view of those who disagree with OSAS. We never said we believe in good works alone without Christ. That's just a false judgment.
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I never said you believed in good works alone

So once again, You have no idea what I say because you refuse to listen and try to understand.

And once again, If you continue with that line of reasoning, You are a slanderer. Because you have stated I have said something I have NEVER SAID
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
NO

He is talking about works period. A work is done to earn a wage or a reward.

If your working to earn or maintain salvation. Then your working to earn a reward. Thus rejecting the GIFT.

Works also produce fruit. Which will yield a reward for all believers.
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I think you already have your view of us and nobody will change that. This view is your own opinion. But we dont think like that. I don't earn my salvation. I trust in Jesus Christ to help me get Salvation:).
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol

Paul tells us what works are

1. They cause men to boast (eph 2: 8-9)
2. If used for salvation. They produce self righteousness
3. For a true believer, they produce fruit.
4. They (any work of righteousness, be it works of the law or works of the NT) can not save us (titus 3)

Trying to earn grace by works is called legalism, It is called trying to meet some standard. Which god set up as the law. And not submitting to the righteousness of Christ.
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Your just making false assumptions.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
NO

He is talking about works period. A work is done to earn a wage or a reward.

If your working to earn or maintain salvation. Then your working to earn a reward. Thus rejecting the GIFT.

Works also produce fruit. Which will yield a reward for all believers.
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Of course good works for God produce fruit. That's why God wants us to do them.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never said you believed in good works alone

So once again, You have no idea what I say because you refuse to listen and try to understand.

And once again, If you continue with that line of reasoning, You are a slanderer. Because you have stated I have said something I have NEVER SAID
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I doesnt really bother me if you call me a slander. I am here to please God, not you;)
 
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Nat2019 said:
I think you already have your view of us and nobody will change that. This view is your own opinion. But we dont think like that. I don't earn my salvation. I trust in Jesus Christ to help me get Salvation:).
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As you have your opinion

If you trusted Jesus you would not claim Jesus could fail and lose you. You would believe when Jesus said you have eternal life. You have it.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
when I say rewards I'm talking about rewards at the judgement seat of CHRIST where we get rewarded but to answer your question about working and not faith alone,
Salvation Is by GRACE through faith alone otherwise Grace would not be Grace.
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If i'm saved, i'm i supposed to quit prostitution? i'm i supposed to quit slandering and cheating? i'm i supposed to put an effort to be faithful to my wife and stop adultery? or is the Lord going to do all that for me or maybe now it doesn't matter because i'm already saved and even if i do all these, grace abides.
 
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