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Defenderofgrace

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Defenderofgrace said:
Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

John 19:30 King James Version (KJV)
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
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This thread might help
 
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Am I correct to assume that OSAS believers do not see apostasy as a sin that leads to the lost of salvation?
 
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DJ3 said:
Am I correct to assume that OSAS believers do not see apostasy as a sin that leads to the lost of salvation?
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NO sin leads to the loss of salvation and only one leads to no salvation......and before you jump on blasphemy of the Spirit....it boils down to UNBELIEF into the work of Christ.....of course I expect you to fully oppose this truth....!!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
NO sin leads to the loss of salvation and only one leads to no salvation......and before you jump on blasphemy of the Spirit....it boils down to UNBELIEF into the work of Christ.....of course I expect you to fully oppose this truth....!!!
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I most certainly will oppose such untruth.

If you believe your own quote:

"NO sin leads to the loss of salvation and only one leads to no salvation"

then you do not understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

There is too many warnings to Christians about apostasy for such a thought.
There is too many examples of sins leading to death for such a thought.

Who taught you such utter nonsense?
 
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IT IS NOT A WORK WHEN YOU DO IT OUT GODLY LOVE, IT IS NOT A BURDEN, IT SAYS SO!

Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
20 For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.

Titus 3:5-8 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

Ephesians 1:13-14 (HCSB)
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 9:32 (HCSB)
32 Why is that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.

Galatians 3:10-11 (HCSB)
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law is cursed.
11 Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

2 Samuel 23:5 (NCV)
5 “This is how God has cared for my family. God made a lasting agreement with me, right and sure in every way. He will accomplish my salvation and satisfy all my desires.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.


I Must Ask: "ARE YOU BORN AGAIN, and HOW DO YOU KNOW IT ? ? ?

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NIV)
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Ephesians 2:8-11 New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
 
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AND IF THE MOTIVE BEHIND THE DEED IS NOT LOVE, IT IS FILTHY RAGS.

Isaiah 64:6 (NIV)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
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But love is a work, how can it be 'not by works'.
 
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dcontroversal said:
NO sin leads to the loss of salvation and only one leads to no salvation......and before you jump on blasphemy of the Spirit....it boils down to UNBELIEF into the work of Christ.....of course I expect you to fully oppose this truth....!!!
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The contradiction in this statement says it all.
 
Defenderofgrace

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dcontroversal said:
NO sin leads to the loss of salvation and only one leads to no salvation......and before you jump on blasphemy of the Spirit....it boils down to UNBELIEF into the work of Christ.....of course I expect you to fully oppose this truth....!!!
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There's no contradiction here, "loss" does NOT mean "no"

loss means "what you once had disappeared from you"
no means "you never have it before" (in this given context)

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The contradiction in this statement says it all.
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Defenderofgrace said:
There's no contradiction here, "loss" does NOT mean "no"

loss means "what you once had disappeared from you"
no means "you never have it before" (in this given context)
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Another contradiction.

So can salvation through faith in Christ be lost or not?
 
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DJ3 said:
You don't even believe in apostasy?
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John 10:26-30 (HCSB)
26 But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep.
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 The Father and I are one.”

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.


1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 12:2 (KJV)
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. [That was to signify the SALVATION WAS COMPLETE.]
 
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VCO said:
John 10:26-30 (HCSB)
26 But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep.
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 The Father and I are one.”

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.


1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 12:2 (KJV)
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. [That was to signify the SALVATION WAS COMPLETE.]
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Okay. But do you believe in the concept of apostasy?
 
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