Joshua Harris Leaving His Wife and His Faith :(

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Magenta said:
Jesus called Judas unclean, and called him the son of perdition, which means
he was doomed to destruction. I believe Jesus knew what He was talking about :)
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Yes Judas was going to end up in the Lake of fire.. But that does not mean Judas could not have been forgiven his sins if He had repented of his sins and believed in the Atonement of Jesus...
 
Smooth said:
The subject of this thread denounced his faith so he’s not in Christ.
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Truth.. If one is giving the Gospel message of Jesus one should NEVER apologize for doing so.. Apologizing is admitting fault.. Apologizing for giving the Gospel message is saying that the Gospel is faulty..
 
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Adstar said:
Of course i do not dispute Judas is destined to the eternal lake of fire.. But any sinner who ends up being unforgiven is destined to the eternal lake of fire.. The only way to be forgiven is to have the Atonement of the LORD Jesus covering ones sins.. Judas along with many others sadly did not accept that covering.. You do not need to blaspheme the Holy Spirit to be condemned.. Any minor unforgiven sin will see one damned..
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What If the person was saved by the Grace of GOD could that person be damned for any minor sin?
 
Adstar said:
Of course i do not dispute Judas is destined to the eternal lake of fire.. But any sinner who ends up being unforgiven is destined to the eternal lake of fire.. The only way to be forgiven is to have the Atonement of the LORD Jesus covering ones sins.. Judas along with many others sadly did not accept that covering.. You do not need to blaspheme the Holy Spirit to be condemned.. Any minor unforgiven sin will see one damned..
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So then if a person dies while committing a sin; for example they are walking across the street and they are let's say
looking at a very beautiful model displayed on a bill board and having a momentary sexually immoral thought.
If they are hit by a car at that very moment and die; do you mean to say their entire life is meaningless because they died while committing a sin?
 
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Adstar said:
Yes Judas was going to end up in the Lake of fire.. But that does not mean Judas could not have been forgiven his sins if He had repented of his sins and believed in the Atonement of Jesus...
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The point is, Jesus knew Judas was NOT going to repent. Judas was DOOMED.
 
Magenta said:
The point is, Jesus knew Judas was NOT going to repent. Judas was DOOMED.
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I know some do not agree but for the sake of our fellow members request I think we should start another thread in bible discussion LOVE is the answer
 
pomeranian said:
So then if a person dies while committing a sin; for example they are walking across the street and they are let's say
looking at a very beautiful model displayed on a bill board and having a momentary sexually immoral thought.
If they are hit by a car at that very moment and die; do you mean to say their entire life is meaningless because they died while committing a sin?
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No..

If one believes Jesus and trusts in the Atonement He secured for their salvation on the cross then all their sins are forgiven..
 
Magenta said:
The point is, Jesus knew Judas was NOT going to repent. Judas was DOOMED.
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Yes i agree Jesus foreknew what judas would do and where He would end up.. Judas was doomed..

But not for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. That was my point..
 
Smooth said:
Some folks feel compelled to apologize to people who don’t embrace God’s Word. There’s no need to apologize when love is the foundation of your interaction with others.
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Am bit puzzled. Maybe he confused love with lust. So many people think cos they attracted to someone or something, that indicates love. Well no, most of the time that indicates lust, wanting something you cant have.
 
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pomeranian said:
So then if a person dies while committing a sin; for example they are walking across the street and they are let's say
looking at a very beautiful model displayed on a bill board and having a momentary sexually immoral thought.
If they are hit by a car at that very moment and die; do you mean to say their entire life is meaningless because they died while committing a sin?
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I cross a lot of streets . . .
with a lot of billboards.
 
Adstar said:
I wouldn't.. If one does not trust in the Atonement Jesus secured for their salvation they will not have salvation..
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Why did you say basically the same thing I mean If you believe HIM wouldn’t you also trust HIM,that’s what I meant when I said I would have stopped at the part that says belief In HIM Is enough.
 
seed_time_harvest said:
Why did you say basically the same thing I mean If you believe HIM wouldn’t you also trust HIM,that’s what I meant when I said I would have stopped at the part that says belief In HIM Is enough.
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Well thats the thing with liars is they say they believe but their actions show they dont truly believe. Thats why it needs to be explicit so we can recognise liars, by their fruits we will know them.

Cos even demons believe in the son of God and tremble, but they dont obey or follow Him do they? Thats why they need to be cast out they not going to willingly follow HIm.
 
Imposing rules on yourself because you dont trust God seems to be the result of 'i kissed dating goodbye' even if the author didnt intend it to become what it was.

Dating is just going out with someone for an appointed time it really is not a big deal. Its importance is that men and women learn how to get along with each other without any pressure. To treat it as an interview for marriage or precursor for sexual activity seems a weird view of it.
 
seed_time_harvest said:
Why did you say basically the same thing I mean If you believe HIM wouldn’t you also trust HIM,that’s what I meant when I said I would have stopped at the part that says belief In HIM Is enough.
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Believing Jesus is believing the teachings of Jesus for example the beatitudes..
Trusting in the Atonement of Jesus is trusting that His Work on the cross pays the penalty for ones sins..

If one wants to be saved they need to Believe Jesus.. And Trust Jesus..

How does one know they are following the real Jesus? When one believes His teachings..

There are a lot of people out there would believe in a Jesus who is not the actual Jesus of the Holy Bible.. They want Jesus as their redeemer but they His Words..
 
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