Works can NEVER earn salvation

[dcontroversal]

Is that because little lie guilty the whole law make stealing only lose the reward and Paul,lie

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

dcontroversal said:
AMEN...you know...I have decided to warn and then stop responding to ignorance, skewed scripture, twisted context, things we say that are embellished and or those that embellish or reject truth...........some of these people just flat stomp the truth into the mud....

 

[dcontroversal]

my post was not directed to you now was it?

You see what I post and he cannot grasp the actually context of the verses he is quoting.....

 

[Eli12]

As John said: there is "sin that does incur death" and another that does not. Evidently those mentioned by Paul here are some of the ones that incur death:

1Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

... since he is saying clearly that those persons won't inherit God's Kingdom. I do know real christians who even if they are sinners in the common sense (everybody is and everybody sins) they don't do anything listed by Paul there. It is not about having a list but it is about recognizing which sins we must totally avoid and take very seriously. There are congregations where people who practice those things Paul mentioned can not stay in ... a lot others don't mind; they don't want to lose members ... The first century congregation set the guide to follow.

 

[jaybird88]

The bible already explained it

As I have a multitude of time

The law does not JUST say do not murder

It contains if a list of requirements. And it says if you want to fulfill this law you have to keep EVERY ONE OF THEM.. break JUST one, and your guilty of all

You can never commit adultry never commit murder, never commit any sexual sin, never steal, but if just once, you dishonor your parent, you are just as guilty as the one who cmmited murder, the one who commited sexual sin, the thief the liar, the cheat the coveter.

James explained this to you, and I showed you what he has said numerous times, why again do you fail to grasp what he is saying?

no, your answer has nothing to do with what i am asking, you know this.
the James teaching has to do with cherry picking laws, that has already been covered.

so back to the law is a curse, if it really is a curse, explain why DONT MURDER is a curse. im not interesting in adultery or lying. if you really believe its a curse you should have no problem answering. but i got a million dollars saying you will not.

do you really want to live in a world where everyone is murdering each other? i wouldnt. maybe im weird.

 

[Jackson123]

dcontroversal said:
AMEN...you know...I have decided to warn and then stop responding to ignorance, skewed scripture, twisted context, things we say that are embellished and or those that embellish or reject truth...........some of these people just flat stomp the truth into the mud....

Sorry i may not able to use good English

Let me repeat my question

Little lie guilty the whole law

Is that mean stealing go to heaven and Paul lie

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jackson123]

my post was not directed to you now was it?

I am sorry, I think you direct to me.

But let me repeat my question.

The fact that sin is not only murder, is that mean stealing inherit the kingdom only no reward?

 

[Eli12]

Not liars will inherited God's Kingdom. To lie is a very bad sin. A true Christian does not lie under any circumstances. The lie had its origin in the Evil One, and those who lie originate from Him, not from God.

 

[Jackson123]

Not liars will inherited God's Kingdom. To lie is a very bad sin. A true Christian does not lie under any circumstances. The lie had its origin in the Evil One, and those who lie originate from Him, not from God.

Yep, seem to me some people believe, because salvation by faith, mean lie, stealing go to heaven, only no reward.

I understand, it is not easy not to lie or not to sin, but the fact that we still do sin do not mean we have authority to change the Bible

For example

Bible say lie not inherit the kingdom, or not go to heaven. But it hard to me to not lie, than I change the teaching and make another lie to tell other, lie is not ok but you still go to heaven, only no reward.


I believe this is danger lie.

I still lie every bow and then, but not because I still practice lie than I change the Bible and say lie only reduce reward.

Bible say lie not inherit the kingdom, whether I am liar or not, will not change God word.

And if I quote the verse that say stealing not go to heaven, people think I say I am better than other.

My question is, is quoting verse mean say I am better then other?

I may worse than other, and quoting verse do not mean say I am better than other.

Quoting verse only mean, to say: this is what bible say, not I am better than other.

Than people say, save by faith, not by work.



I think by quote the verse that say save by faith, people want to say, lie do not have effect for salvation, while bible say lie not inherit kingdom.

So people like to twist the Bible to make easier to go to heaven.
I wish I can make my own rule that make easier for me to go to heaven, but seem to me only God have the authority to make a rule how to go to heaven.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no, your answer has nothing to do with what i am asking, you know this.
the James teaching has to do with cherry picking laws, that has already been covered.

so back to the law is a curse, if it really is a curse, explain why DONT MURDER is a curse. im not interesting in adultery or lying. if you really believe its a curse you should have no problem answering. but i got a million dollars saying you will not.

do you really want to live in a world where everyone is murdering each other? i wouldnt. maybe im weird.

I am done, some people just can not handle the truth, Your questions have no bearing on anything, and only go to PROVE you do not listen to a word I say (nor understand)

THE CURSE IS PUNISHMENT FOR NOT KEEPING THE LAW AS REQUIRED.

Moses explained what faiure to keep EVERY command would get you. Paul tried to re-explain it. And James was pretty clear in his explanation.

All three of them showed that failure to keep every command would put you under the curse of the law.

It does nto matter if they spoke to different people. Or for different reasons, they ALL had the same message, which means ti all people everywher, If your under law, as paul said time and time again, YOUR UNDER A CURSE. Because NO ONE CAN KEEP THE LAW

I am sorry that you can not understand, although I understand why..but it is evident I can nt help you with that problem.. Any more than Jesus could help the pharisees with their problem of unbelief

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I am done, some people just can not handle the truth, Your questions have no bearing on anything, and only go to PROVE you do not listen to a word I say (nor understand)

I have to laugh, because EG loves these declarations of he is dealing with people who just do not know
what reality and truth is, he is the poor holder of the truth against the ignorant opponents.

Wisdom comes when you love and know your opponent and why they hold the beliefs they do.

If one can take all scripture and mould it to fit ones world view, it is not scripture that is teaching one
but ones world view. It is why Jesus says only the pure in heart will see God, and to judge correctly
all the sinful barriers must be removed.

Our failure. I can come to a discussion thinking victory matters or come knowing I am meeting another
and at then end I hope we will be friends not enemies.

So if you believe certain outlooks above anything else, because fundamentally sin will not be resolved or
repented of, nothing in these discussions will ever lead to God. Everything in Christ is centred on purity,
holiness, righteousness and love.

Many come to these forums and defend sinning, knowingly, constantly, daily, hourly and think this is of
God. Just go through some threads, and people even defend while sinning God forgives believers, which
is staggering and heresy. But praise God, they are not brothers and sisters in Christ, so there fate is there
own. God bless you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to laugh, because EG loves these declarations of he is dealing with people who just do not know
what reality and truth is, he is the poor holder of the truth against the ignorant opponents.

Wisdom comes when you love and know your opponent and why they hold the beliefs they do.

If one can take all scripture and mould it to fit ones world view, it is not scripture that is teaching one
but ones world view. It is why Jesus says only the pure in heart will see God, and to judge correctly
all the sinful barriers must be removed.

Our failure. I can come to a discussion thinking victory matters or come knowing I am meeting another
and at then end I hope we will be friends not enemies.

So if you believe certain outlooks above anything else, because fundamentally sin will not be resolved or
repented of, nothing in these discussions will ever lead to God. Everything in Christ is centred on purity,
holiness, righteousness and love.

Many come to these forums and defend sinning, knowingly, constantly, daily, hourly and think this is of
God. Just go through some threads, and people even defend while sinning God forgives believers, which
is staggering and heresy. But praise God, they are not brothers and sisters in Christ, so there fate is there
own. God bless you.

Wisdom comes when you know the word.

Neither you or the person in question have any fathom of idea what you call your apponent (me) knows. You prove this with almost every word.

And by the way, I though you said you did not know who EG was a few days ago? What you are provving you are a liar again??

PS. If. Breaking one command causes you to be under the curse of the law

Keeping one command does not help you

Your required to keep EVERY ONE OF THEM

Thats why his question is invalid, and it proves he is just phishing.


Now back to your quiet place where you belong.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Wisdom comes when you know the word.
Neither you or the person in question have any fathom of idea what you call your apponent (me) knows. You prove this with almost every word.
And by the way, I though you said you did not know who EG was a few days ago? What you are provving you are a liar again??
PS. If. Breaking one command causes you to be under the curse of the law
Keeping one command does not help you
Your required to keep EVERY ONE OF THEM
Thats why his question is invalid, and it proves he is just phishing.
Now back to your quiet place where you belong.

Let me make a simple point dear reader.
Do I know what EG believes? No.
Does he say I do not know? Yes.

But he says I am lying to agree with his own assertion. There is a man looking for a fight in the
wrong playground. But then EG thinks he is making valid points while missing God completely.

Love and righteousness are Gods way, sin and evil fall under His judgement.
We are a people empowered to walk in the ways of God through the Holy Spirit. Amen

You would think all believers agree with this, except some want to defend sinful behaviour without
repentance, with sorrow, humbleness and a desire to do good. Listen to Paul

21 I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity,
sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.
2 cor 12

11 With such a man do not even eat.
1 cor 5

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Now back to your quiet place where you belong.

Is there any gain by comments such as these?
I suppose it shows you ignore other peoples comments because you cannot handle them,
but this shows weakness not strength, and a rigid view of faith and God that cannot stand
being challenged and shown up in the light of Gods word.

Gods word is

12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double--edged sword, it penetrates
even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Heb 4

 

[Jackson123]

Wisdom comes when you know the word.

Neither you or the person in question have any fathom of idea what you call your apponent (me) knows. You prove this with almost every word.

And by the way, I though you said you did not know who EG was a few days ago? What you are provving you are a liar again??

PS. If. Breaking one command causes you to be under the curse of the law

Keeping one command does not help you

Your required to keep EVERY ONE OF THEM

Thats why his question is invalid, and it proves he is just phishing.


Now back to your quiet place where you belong.

Correct me if I am wrong, seem to me you think that I am your opponent.

Seem to me you think I do not know if breaking one law same as breaking the whole law.

Seem to me you do not know that what Paul wrote in this verse is the truth

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You do not know that the fact breaking one law mean breaking all law, do not mean these verse above is the truth

You think that because breaking one law mean breaking all so Paul is liar and that verse is not the truth

I hate to say, but it is twisting

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Keeping one command does not help you

This is a strange accusation to make as if anyone is keeping commands to earn merit.
Do we look to see cars when we cross a road, or just cross hoping to reach the other side?

Gods commandments are warnings about harm and damage we do to ourselves and others.
It shows us the boundaries of where we struggle with competing feelings and ideas which
then go over into actions worthy of judgement.

Now a legalist only sees a check sheet to get a score, while those who love and follow God
see life and death, love and hatred, humbleness and rebellion.

You know how far a legalist is from God when commands are just marks and not love is
our hearts desire. People are often not what they appear, but you can tell a lot from what
they share or fail to share, than they ever could realise.

 

[fredoheaven]

Yep, born again hate sin, but some time fall into sin.

So if we fall into sin, stop and repent

So if we fall into sin, repent (change your mind about sin), confess it to God and stop.

 

[fredoheaven]

Justified by law some time wrong

For example if a man commit adultery And according to Moses law, that man must stone to death

But there are some man commit adultery in his heart. The law of Moses can not do anything

But God see your faith, Jesus say if you see a woman and in your heart you want to have sex with her, you are commit adultery


So god judge your faith or your heart that kind of judgment is impossible done by human, because human do not know what is in your heart

Justification means we are declared righteous if we received Christ by faith.

"We are justified, declared righteous, at the moment of our salvation. Justification does not make us righteous, but rather pronounces us righteous. Our righteousness comes from placing our faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. His sacrifice covers our sin, allowing God to see us as perfect and unblemished. Because as believers we are in Christ, God sees Christ's own righteousness when He looks at us. This meets God's demands for perfection; thus, He declares us righteous—He justifies us. "

https://www.gotquestions.org/justification.html

 

[fredoheaven]

Yep the word is cristal clear, stealing not go to heaven, but people tend to make it easier to go to heaven than what the Bible say. I wish it is happen and every thief, murderer no need repent and go to heaven, but it is not what Bible say

Hehehe, I think it's not that so easy for others why? because they don't trust fully about Christ and the Gospel for their salvation. They tend to add something when there's no need to add. Good Works are testimony that indeed they give glory to God. No question about that.

Matthew 5:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Correct me if I am wrong, seem to me you think that I am your opponent.

Seem to me you think I do not know if breaking one law same as breaking the whole law.

Seem to me you do not know that what Paul wrote in this verse is the truth

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You do not know that the fact breaking one law mean breaking all law, do not mean these verse above is the truth

You think that because breaking one law mean breaking all so Paul is liar and that verse is not the truth

I hate to say, but it is twisting

1. said I was done, so please stop responding to me., your twisting of Gods word for your own benefit and tryign to make a doctrine out of ONE verse is old and has been tried and failed by so many before you
2. I also said I believe paul. Just not your interpretation of what Paul said in that passage (because you ignore the rest of the passage
3. Moses paul and james said if you do not keep every part of the law perfectly. Ie, if you keep all f it, but fail in even 1 area, your cursed. So your argument is not with me, it is with those men of God.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

So if we fall into sin, repent (change your mind about sin), confess it to God and stop.

Can I ask you why you say repent, then add "change your mind about sin" as if this is something different
from other repentance.

I know repentance as Nineveh

7 Then he issued a proclamation in Nineveh: "By the decree of the king and his nobles:
Do not let any man or beast, herd or flock, taste anything; do not let them eat or drink.
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God.
Let them give up their evil ways and their violence.
9 Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so
that we will not perish."
Jonah 3

9 now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to
repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us.
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to
clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness
to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.
2 Corinthians 7

Are these examples of repentance you are agreeing with or disagreeing with?