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Luk 13:23 Now a certain man said to him: “Lord, are those who are being saved few?” He said to them: 24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell YOU, will seek to get in but will not be able, 25 when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and YOU start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Sir, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from.’ 26 Then YOU will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in front of you, and you taught in our broad ways.’ 27 But he will speak and say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from. Get away from me, all YOU workers of unrighteousness!’ 28 There is where [YOUR] weeping and the gnashing of [YOUR] teeth will be, when YOU see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves thrown outside. 29 Furthermore, people will come from eastern parts and western, and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30 And, look! there are those last who will be first, and there are those first who will be last.”
You can make fun of me all you want, but you can't make fun of God.
You can make fun of me all you want, but you can't make fun of God.
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NOW THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU, they all are of the FOURTH KIND OF SOIL. The other three are FRUITLESS Non Born Again PEOPLE. Some of them go to Church, BUT:
2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.
Matthew 13:13 (HCSB)
13 For this reason I speak to them in parables, because looking they do not see, and hearing they do not listen or understand.
1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
That Last verse, ELIMINATES the Rocky Soil, and the Soil full of Thornbushes and Thistles, and places them in with the Non Born Again People. Until the age of accountability, little children do not have sin imputed, but when they are old enough to know right from wrong, they must receive Christ as LORD.
Romans 5:13 (HCSB)
13 In fact, sin was in the world before the law, but sin is not charged to a person’s account when there is no law.
2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.
Matthew 13:13 (HCSB)
13 For this reason I speak to them in parables, because looking they do not see, and hearing they do not listen or understand.
1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
That Last verse, ELIMINATES the Rocky Soil, and the Soil full of Thornbushes and Thistles, and places them in with the Non Born Again People. Until the age of accountability, little children do not have sin imputed, but when they are old enough to know right from wrong, they must receive Christ as LORD.
Romans 5:13 (HCSB)
13 In fact, sin was in the world before the law, but sin is not charged to a person’s account when there is no law.
Heed his warning:
John 15:5-6 (HCSB)
5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.
6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
I think that is a reference to Hades/Hell, same as everyone on the Broad Road. Narrow Gate and Narrow Road, is a reference to Born Again who have repented, received HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER, and have had their Human Spirit brought to Eternal Life.
Before you are tempted to Scoff, I believe this Prophecy is LITERALLY TRUE:
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
3 First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
4 saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
John 15:5-6 (HCSB)
5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.
6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
I think that is a reference to Hades/Hell, same as everyone on the Broad Road. Narrow Gate and Narrow Road, is a reference to Born Again who have repented, received HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER, and have had their Human Spirit brought to Eternal Life.
Before you are tempted to Scoff, I believe this Prophecy is LITERALLY TRUE:
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
3 First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
4 saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
AND THAT IS THE INSTANT TRUE BELIEVERS ARE BROUGHT TO SALVATION. WHERE are you misreading me? WHAT DO YOU THINK I MEAN?
Faith and Belief is a Comes into our HEART the Moment the Holy Spirit comes in. However, I THINK LOVE comes first, because Jewish Tradition is put the most important FIRST. Yes it comes then, and CONTINUES forever. So at any time one can see the Spiritual Fruit of a Christian.
Faith and Belief is a Comes into our HEART the Moment the Holy Spirit comes in. However, I THINK LOVE comes first, because Jewish Tradition is put the most important FIRST. Yes it comes then, and CONTINUES forever. So at any time one can see the Spiritual Fruit of a Christian.
Wrong......love does not COME first....I cannot believe you said that to be honest.........LOVE is a process of growth and maturity AFTER one has been saved by faith which is a gift dealt in measure........
WOW man......
It is not that we loved him, but that he loved US and gave himself for us.....
FAITH---->HOPE---->THEN LOVE
WOW man......
It is not that we loved him, but that he loved US and gave himself for us.....
FAITH---->HOPE---->THEN LOVE
You reap what you sow
I was talking to my daughter recently.
As a couple love and openness has been our direction in the family, to adjust everything to the needs
of the kids as they arise and as we are capable. We kept stress down to the minimum, with helping them
explore their interests and social contacts.
Over the years we hear of their friends parents marriages fall apart, a few dying, brothers and sisters
not talking or caring for each other, and real deep pain. We plod on loving caring supporting, praying
worshipping and witnessing to the Lord.
And my daughter says she cannot believe how loving and caring all three kids are, and puts this down
to their mother. And my wife is a gift of God, and is so attentive it is difficult to wonder where she gets
this focus, except the Lord works wonders. We are not rich, we are not successful, we have no great
victories or things to our name, yet we are rich in Christ and His work in our hearts.
You do not know the power of knowing you are loved, when all about others seem lost, and the pressure
is just too much, a place you can snuggle and find rest. And this place above all things is Jesus, our Lord
and Saviour. It is His love we have that we share, it is His example and His healing that makes this all
possible. Sow to the Spirit, reap eternal life, the ways of the Kingdom and the power of God, Amen.
I was talking to my daughter recently.
As a couple love and openness has been our direction in the family, to adjust everything to the needs
of the kids as they arise and as we are capable. We kept stress down to the minimum, with helping them
explore their interests and social contacts.
Over the years we hear of their friends parents marriages fall apart, a few dying, brothers and sisters
not talking or caring for each other, and real deep pain. We plod on loving caring supporting, praying
worshipping and witnessing to the Lord.
And my daughter says she cannot believe how loving and caring all three kids are, and puts this down
to their mother. And my wife is a gift of God, and is so attentive it is difficult to wonder where she gets
this focus, except the Lord works wonders. We are not rich, we are not successful, we have no great
victories or things to our name, yet we are rich in Christ and His work in our hearts.
You do not know the power of knowing you are loved, when all about others seem lost, and the pressure
is just too much, a place you can snuggle and find rest. And this place above all things is Jesus, our Lord
and Saviour. It is His love we have that we share, it is His example and His healing that makes this all
possible. Sow to the Spirit, reap eternal life, the ways of the Kingdom and the power of God, Amen.
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Quite the work out. Which pricks are you kicking against?
Faith comes from hearing....So first there is the Word that you hear, from hearing that word comes the gift of faith, then belief as you fall in love with the Word and all the knowledge and wisdom of God, then you are baptized for the outward action of that professed belief, you are made a new creature with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit a new nature changed from within and with that comes , a promised salvation, you are now justified and made righteous through the Blood shed for the remission of sins, you are washed clean and sanctified and set on the mission to go teach and baptize.
Probably got it all wrong, but you can best be sure it will be corrected and this slow ripping off of the band aid will end.
Faith comes from hearing....So first there is the Word that you hear, from hearing that word comes the gift of faith, then belief as you fall in love with the Word and all the knowledge and wisdom of God, then you are baptized for the outward action of that professed belief, you are made a new creature with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit a new nature changed from within and with that comes , a promised salvation, you are now justified and made righteous through the Blood shed for the remission of sins, you are washed clean and sanctified and set on the mission to go teach and baptize.
Probably got it all wrong, but you can best be sure it will be corrected and this slow ripping off of the band aid will end.
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Hi dc,
Are you an upgraded spirit, an immortal?
What does it feel like to be perfect, pure and holy without the flesh to take responsibility for?
Or am I wrong. You need to walk the path, stay in Christ to know His life and fulfilment, to have
love working and moulding everything one is. Or maybe it is both, so one can claim the fulfilment
of scripture while being safe in immortality?
I am just a saint, a redeemed sinner whose journey if to follow Jesus and learn the ways of love
along the way. It is the only way I know, and the only message I have heard, maybe the shot cut
upgraded spirit is so much better, maybe you could tell me more?
Are you an upgraded spirit, an immortal?
What does it feel like to be perfect, pure and holy without the flesh to take responsibility for?
Or am I wrong. You need to walk the path, stay in Christ to know His life and fulfilment, to have
love working and moulding everything one is. Or maybe it is both, so one can claim the fulfilment
of scripture while being safe in immortality?
I am just a saint, a redeemed sinner whose journey if to follow Jesus and learn the ways of love
along the way. It is the only way I know, and the only message I have heard, maybe the shot cut
upgraded spirit is so much better, maybe you could tell me more?
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AND I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT, ESPECIALLY part about the process of growth and maturity:
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
I LOVED HIM the NIGHT I WAS SAVED, in fact, I LOVED HIM WHEN I WAS CRYING OUT FOR FORGIVENESS FOR MY WHOLE LIFESTYLE,
AND ESPECIALLY the VISION or DREAM I HAD when I WAS KNEELING BEFORE HIM ON THE CROSS!
You have forgotten about HIS LOVE that the Holy Spirit Poured into your Heart (Human Spirit). HOW SAD!
I VIVIDLY REMEMBER THAT NIGHT, and EVEN TO THE POINT OF CRYING and WEEPING every time I sing songs like:
And any other song that reminds me of the PRICE CHRIST HAD TO PAY FOR MY SINS.
How Can You FORGET! It appears you have lost something very special.
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JESUS said that MEN are the one that gathers the branches and casts into the fire.....and the comparison is made between vines and branches that are withered, dead and not fruit <----NOT indicative of LIVE branches in CHRIST......
No bro..what has happened to YOU...conflating salvation with bearing fruit......<---that is the issue.............
No bro..what has happened to YOU...conflating salvation with bearing fruit......<---that is the issue.............