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I've made a post on that idea in the past... basically, I believe 2 Corinthians 5:2-4 is nixing such a thought.
--"unclothed" there means "without a body (for a time), upon our death"
--"clothed upon" means "immediately clothed with our glorified bodies APART from having to DIE first" [THIS takes place at our Rapture, for the "we which are alive and remain unto" portion OF "the Church which is His body" (the "mortality... swallowed up OF LIFE"--the "still-LIVING" portion of The Body [at the time of our Rapture and "change"], whereas 1Cor15:51-54 is referring to both portions ["the DEAD IN Christ" and the "we which are alive and remain unto"], described distinctly [though "ONE BODY" and "caught up AS ONE")]
--"unclothed" there means "without a body (for a time), upon our death"
--"clothed upon" means "immediately clothed with our glorified bodies APART from having to DIE first" [THIS takes place at our Rapture, for the "we which are alive and remain unto" portion OF "the Church which is His body" (the "mortality... swallowed up OF LIFE"--the "still-LIVING" portion of The Body [at the time of our Rapture and "change"], whereas 1Cor15:51-54 is referring to both portions ["the DEAD IN Christ" and the "we which are alive and remain unto"], described distinctly [though "ONE BODY" and "caught up AS ONE")]
If you look closely you'll find that the seals and trumpets encompass God's JUDGMENT. And God repeatedly says we will see judgment.
The Bowls, however, are specifically labeled as God's Wrath. And God says we will not see His wrath.
If this is true, then we see the events of the seals and trumpets, but not those events contained in the bowls.
The Bowls, however, are specifically labeled as God's Wrath. And God says we will not see His wrath.
If this is true, then we see the events of the seals and trumpets, but not those events contained in the bowls.
I disagree with your second paragraph in this way:
Re: the Bowls/Vials, it says, "for in them the wrath of God IS COMPLETED" (not is STARTED--this is NOT the STARTING-POINT of it [but the "COMPLETION" of it]).
[to go along with that, I already pointed out the parallel language between 2Th2:7b-8a (8a being at the START of the 7-yrs) and that of Lam2:3-4 (in a "WRATH" context, and "judgment")]
Re: the Bowls/Vials, it says, "for in them the wrath of God IS COMPLETED" (not is STARTED--this is NOT the STARTING-POINT of it [but the "COMPLETION" of it]).
[to go along with that, I already pointed out the parallel language between 2Th2:7b-8a (8a being at the START of the 7-yrs) and that of Lam2:3-4 (in a "WRATH" context, and "judgment")]
I've heard theologians go round and around regarding the rapture timing. Even my professors were divided. So I'll confess that I'm undecided and it has little to do with our salvation other than timing patience and resistance to the enemy. But I imagine that the second seal is the beginning of the end and a titanic world war like the world has never seen and the fifth seal is the first resurrection of the dead followed closely by the rapture. Thus my best guess is mid trib. We cannot afford as a church to let us divide us and since no one knows the day or the hour, our time would be better spent on the great commission than fretting about when the Lord is comming for us. Amen?
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Yeah, I was only curious as to the "WHEN" you believe "we shall judge angels" (1Cor6:3[14]) and the "shall bruise Satan under YOUR feet IN QUICKNESS [NOUN; like Rev1:1's same "timing" phrase]" (Rom16:20) actually take place, since both of those verses are "addressed" to US ("the Church which is His body") [unlike certain other contexts that are continually misapplied (to us), by many]… and therefore are things that actually do concern US (not that we are to neglect our role as "ambassadors" here, while here 
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By the way, I never consider it "fretting, " but a JOYOUS endeavor... (to "understand" these things, in increasing measure)
).By the way, I never consider it "fretting, " but a JOYOUS endeavor... (to "understand" these things, in increasing measure)
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Yeah, I was only curious as to the "WHEN" you believe "we shall judge angels" (1Cor6:3[14]) and the "shall bruise Satan under YOUR feet IN QUICKNESS [NOUN; like Rev1:1's same "timing" phrase]" (Rom16:20) actually take place, since both of those verses are "addressed" to US ("the Church which is His body") [unlike certain other contexts that are continually misapplied (to us), by many]… and therefore are things that actually do concern US (not that we are to neglect our role as "ambassadors" here, while here ).
By the way, I never consider it "fretting, " but a JOYOUS endeavor... (to "understand" these things, in increasing measure)
).By the way, I never consider it "fretting, " but a JOYOUS endeavor... (to "understand" these things, in increasing measure)
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In one sense, yes, but (in my view) these two things will be taking place while "people" will still be existing on the earth (BEFORE His Second Coming to the earth), and affecting THEM. (One reason why I believe it IS important for us to be "conveying these Truths" accurately, that is, for THEIR sakes--as THEY will be existing on the earth during a time of great deception, and our words TODAY [in this day and age] ought to be HELPING [to their BENEFIT] rather than HINDERING things to their end).
I believe that part of our accurately conveying "our current job" is in our "correctly apportioning the word of truth," so that, for example, when we are conveying things to others, we (the Church) will not be saying things like (the oft-mis-applied) "he that shall ENDURE UNTO THE END, the same shall be saved" and [incorrectly] telling others that this means we (believers/any member of the Church which is His body) can LOSE or FORFEIT "salvation" (wrong application, due to wrong understanding and wrong teaching regarding this sentence). Things like that... (IOW, I don't believe it is due to "losing focus" on our current job(s), but not understanding what it even IS. lol)
I believe that part of our accurately conveying "our current job" is in our "correctly apportioning the word of truth," so that, for example, when we are conveying things to others, we (the Church) will not be saying things like (the oft-mis-applied) "he that shall ENDURE UNTO THE END, the same shall be saved" and [incorrectly] telling others that this means we (believers/any member of the Church which is His body) can LOSE or FORFEIT "salvation" (wrong application, due to wrong understanding and wrong teaching regarding this sentence). Things like that... (IOW, I don't believe it is due to "losing focus" on our current job(s), but not understanding what it even IS. lol)
It often takes the gift of discernment. To some the simple approach of the Lords parables are more difficult to understand than mountains of texts and cross references. There are some things that speak directly to the circumcised of the heart that baffle those who only understand by human intellect (and lack there of) pray for the Holy Spirit to help and learn what "Lean not to your own understanding..." means.
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That would be as egregious as saying that there is so salvation at all. It is all a huge misunderstanding.
The underlying problem with those who reject the Rapture is that they do not comprehend what God has purposed in His plan of salvation -- the perfection and glorification of the saints. Without the Resurrection/Rapture that could not take place.
Furthermore, they do not understand the restraining power of the Holy Spirit and th Church on earth over Satan and the appearance of the Antichrist, and how God will allow then to take total control of the world for 3 1/2 years.
The underlying problem with those who reject the Rapture is that they do not comprehend what God has purposed in His plan of salvation -- the perfection and glorification of the saints. Without the Resurrection/Rapture that could not take place.
Furthermore, they do not understand the restraining power of the Holy Spirit and th Church on earth over Satan and the appearance of the Antichrist, and how God will allow then to take total control of the world for 3 1/2 years.
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Your post is sad and how will i ever convince you that you are wrong?
If you believe in the false idea of rapture, you definitely have a wrong idea about resurrection and having the wrong idea about resurrection means having the wrong idea about salvation and life eternal.
Rapture is not God's plan, if it were, the prophets would have prophesied. Daniel never saw one in his night visions, Isaiah prophesied something different about resurrection, He never saw people flying off.
Rapture is nothing more than a huge misunderstanding, compounded by the false idea that the words "..caught in the air.." means flying off.
Jesus who supposedly catches people in air should never have prayed this way then:
John 17:14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.
If you believe in the false idea of rapture, you definitely have a wrong idea about resurrection and having the wrong idea about resurrection means having the wrong idea about salvation and life eternal.
Rapture is not God's plan, if it were, the prophets would have prophesied. Daniel never saw one in his night visions, Isaiah prophesied something different about resurrection, He never saw people flying off.
Rapture is nothing more than a huge misunderstanding, compounded by the false idea that the words "..caught in the air.." means flying off.
Jesus who supposedly catches people in air should never have prayed this way then:
John 17:14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.