Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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DeighAnn

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Grandpa said:
If you had any ability to obey the law then Christ would not have had to have been sacrificed.

He did that for us.

Not so you could go back to some law you have no ability to perform. And apparently don't even know it.

Have you tried yet, to be perfect before God according to your work at the law?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Do you think it is just a coincidence that the Lord says this at the end of His expounding on the Law?
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You see that is where you are wrong. I don't have to do it perfect BECAUSE He did. He SET ME FREE. I CAN DO THE WILL OF GOD, EASY, HE MADE IT SO EASY FOR ME. HE MADE IT SO EASY FOR YOU. We just need to do the Will of God.
 
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Jesus commands that you're not to labor for anything of this world that does not lead to eternal life that would include selling your time for money.
 
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NayborBear said:
Kinda get what yer sayin' here Grandpa!

I didn't choose God!

God CHOSE me!

Having said that? Is the "works" entailed into going through one's own life, one's every situation, how God "orchestrated", one's every step, from the time they were baptized, and yea, even before they were baptized, and realized that there was way MORE TO God's "Word", then they were being taught at their particular "church of stone?"
That these, which are seen as "works for salvation", not worthy enough for the "baptized Chirstian" in seeking of?
That it is merely "good enough", in that Christian's "walk" in simply "breaking ties with their past", and move on?
That there is no need, nor desire for the Christian in one's walk into (for lack of better terms) seeking discovery, of one's own "fore knowing" and "predestinating?"

That there are more "elected unto grace", then the "spirit of anti-christ", would want one, or, people to become "cognizant" of concerning them self, or themselves, or Christendom, in general?

Interesting!
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Wow. I didn't actually say all that but I would have if we had had a longer conversation.

I consider that there was a lot of work that had to be done in order to come to Christ. And more work while Christ was stripping away the things (idols) that we thought mattered but didn't.

But looking back we were led to those things. We didn't study and figure it all out and then do it.

We were shown. Then we did. Then we studied and found out it was in there all along... And there was a LOT of studying afterward and prayer trying to figure out what had ALREADY happened.

Not that the studying and prayer would have really changed anything. But it helped with the understanding and with explaining to others. Somewhat...
 
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DeighAnn

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Grandpa said:
If you had any ability to obey the law then Christ would not have had to have been sacrificed.

He did that for us.

Not so you could go back to some law you have no ability to perform. And apparently don't even know it.

Have you tried yet, to be perfect before God according to your work at the law?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Do you think it is just a coincidence that the Lord says this at the end of His expounding on the Law?
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5046 teleios perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character. This isn't for you, I know you don't get it, this is for those who are reading and learning.
 
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DeighAnn said:
You see that is where you are wrong. I don't have to do it perfect BECAUSE He did. He SET ME FREE. I CAN DO THE WILL OF GOD, EASY, HE MADE IT SO EASY FOR ME. HE MADE IT SO EASY FOR YOU. We just need to do the Will of God.
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That is the standard for working at the law. Perfection.

There is no working at the law just for fun.

Either you are working at it or Christ has set you free and you no longer work at it. There's not really any in-between.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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DeighAnn said:
5046 teleios perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character. This isn't for you, I know you don't get it, this is for those who are reading and learning.
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I’m saved and still I sin all the time. I’m just like Paul, the things I want to do I can’t and the things I don’t want to do I do.

Am I perfect in the Lords eyes? Was Paul perfect in the Lords eyes?
 
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DeighAnn said:
5046 teleios perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character. This isn't for you, I know you don't get it, this is for those who are reading and learning.
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I totally get what you are trying to do.

Its pretty much what the Pharisees before you did. They took the word of God and they watered it down to where it seemed like they could keep it in their own understanding and their own strength.

The Lord didn't like that very much, if you recall.

He specifically said to be Perfect LIKE your Father in Heaven is Perfect.

How does the word Perfect there need a further definition than the one the Lord Jesus gave unless that is exactly what you are trying to do?

Of course I applaud your blatant boldness. Most legalists and judaizers are sneakier than that.
 
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DeighAnn said:
No I don't. I just feel like "works" are starting to get a bad rep. If it wasn't for WORKS not a single person would be here talking about the word. With all this Salvation if a gift, not, of works I just feel they need an advocate. So it is not contradicting in any way, more like complimenting.
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Ok. I suppose I can agree with that.

Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
 
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Grandpa said:
That is the standard for working at the law. Perfection.

There is no working at the law just for fun.

Either you are working at it or Christ has set you free and you no longer work at it. There's not really any in-between.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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I do understand you do not want to do the will of God, I wish you would understand that I do. If only you would quit working at the law, then no one would be.
 
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DeighAnn

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Grandpa said:
I totally get what you are trying to do.

Its pretty much what the Pharisees before you did. They took the word of God and they watered it down to where it seemed like they could keep it in their own understanding and their own strength.

The Lord didn't like that very much, if you recall.

He specifically said to be Perfect LIKE your Father in Heaven is Perfect.

How does the word Perfect there need a further definition than the one the Lord Jesus gave unless that is exactly what you are trying to do?

Of course I applaud your blatant boldness. Most legalists and judaizers are sneakier than that.
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Feel free to go look up the original text. And thank you very much.
 
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DeighAnn said:
I do understand you do not want to do the will of God, I wish you would understand that I do. If only you would quit working at the law, then no one would be.
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I do want to do the will of God.

That's why I had to come to Christ.

That's why I no longer work at the law.

There is no other way.


How is it you don't yet understand that righteousness is not by the law?

How is it you don't know that doing the will of God IS RIGHTEOUSNESS?
 
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DeighAnn

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Grandpa said:
I do want to do the will of God.

That's why I had to come to Christ.

That's why I no longer work at the law.

There is no other way.


How is it you don't yet understand that righteousness is not by the law?

How is it you don't know that doing the will of God IS RIGHTEOUSNESS?
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IT ISN'T THAT I DON'T KNOW IT IS THAT YOU CANT HEAR ME. you are the only one working at the law. I never have. You keep saying it, That doesn't make it true. Even if you say it another 10000 times it will be no more true then then it is now.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I’m saved and still I sin all the time. I’m just like Paul, the things I want to do I can’t and the things I don’t want to do I do.

Am I perfect in the Lords eyes? Was Paul perfect in the Lords eyes?
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The different between born again and not is

Born again:
Ex Paul want to do a good thing, but he can not

He do thing that he didn't want to do (bad thing)

Not born again

Want to do wicked and success
 
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Jackson123 said:
The different between born again and not is

Born again:
Ex Paul want to do a good thing, but he can not

He do thing that he didn't want to do (bad thing)

Not born again

Want to do wicked and success
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Paul was saved when he wrote the book of Romans.
 
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Iroaou said:
Here is where Jesus states that the law of Moses is none and void and is useless to you pertaining to eternal life
and commands his sheep to not labor for it anymore

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
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Welcome to cc. Blessings in fellowship in the word here!
 
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Iroaou said:
The Word of words.
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Not sure what that means! There are some very nice,gentle,loving souls on here so I hope you find some fellowship among this kind. If you are a scrapper they are here also. There are many who have many interpretations on the Word of God in these forums,I hope you find and give respect!
 
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