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Smooth

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If we say we are born of God and commit sin we deceive ourselves for it is written
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Psst; here’s a reality check; you’re a sinner.
 
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Oh God's written Word is the truth alright, but context matters.

Exodus 32:33

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”



"who so ever"

welp
guess it is too late
🙄
Which book there are many books?
 
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Oh God's written Word is the truth alright, but context matter
🙄
Put this in any context where it is not the truth...
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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Word games?

If you want to go back to context, do you believe if someone sins once it proves they are not born of God?
I have already told you that I believe is that scripture word for word as it was written so that would cover any sin whatsoever no matter what at all.
 
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But in the Letters to the Churches in Revelation, I see HE had 5 Churches that HE Himself had notes on somewhat against them. YET HE Himself RECOGNIZED they were getting some SAVED. That includes the Catholic Church. Granted they are only getting a few saved, while most are Mary Worshipers. But some are Born Again Christians. The old adages apply there, like: Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some hear want to throw the grown adults out, like OSAS.
It's God who saves, not man.
The Roman Catholic Church has not saved anyone.
Your delusions are very telling Orv.
 

OneOfHis

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I have already told you that I believe is that scripture word for word as it was written so that would cover any sin whatsoever no matter what at all.

hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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sounds to me like you claim to be a son without chastisement
 

Smooth

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According to whom in your opinion?
If you say you are without sin you are calling God a liar. Those are not my words, those are God’s words found in Scripture. And His words are not opinion; they are fact.

I reiterate, you are a sinner. That does not mean you are evil, it means you are not perfect. You never have been and you never will be on this side of Heaven.
 
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hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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sounds to me like you claim to be a son without chastisement
If I bear witnessof myself, my witness is not true.
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
 

Smooth

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If I bear witnessof myself, my witness is not true.
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Exactly! And God Himself bears witness that you are a sinner, for no one is good, no not one, only God. Again, those are not my words, they are God’s words as found in Scripture.
 
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If you say you are without sin you are calling God a liar. Those are not my words, those are God’s words found in Scripture. And His words are not opinion; they are fact.

I reiterate, you are a sinner. That does not mean you are evil, it means you are not perfect. You never have been and you never will be on this side of Heaven.
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Exactly! And God Himself bears witness that you are a sinner, for no one is good, no not one, only God. Again, those are not my words, they are God’s words as found in Scripture.
I believe all that are born of God including Jesus Christ is good.

As for you
You can believe as you like
What is that to me?
 

VCO

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Do you believe that Jesus has the power and authority to blot anyone's name out of the book of life?
Yes HE DOES have that Power and Authority, However, He is Part of the ALL KNOWING GOD, and SAVED EVERYONE based on HIS PLAN TO REDEEM US BEFORE TIME BEGAN. HE KNEW every decision that everyone would make, before the Beginning of TIME. So based on HIS ADVANCED UNDERSTANDING of everyone's decisions before the foundation of the Earth, NO ONE'S NAME will be blotted out, because HE IS PERFECT. THEREFORE sense HE IS PERFECT, and the Lamb's BOOK OF LIFE, which was written before the Foundation of the Earth, HIS WORK ON THAT BOOK OF LIFE WILL BE PERFECT TOO.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace,
which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Psalm 69:27-28 (NIV) {Part of King David's Prayer against his Enemies.}
27 Charge them with crime upon crime; do not let them share in your salvation.
28 May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5 (ESV)
5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.


Revelation 13:7-9 (HCSB)
7 And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him {Antichrist}, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
9 If anyone has an ear, he should listen:

Revelation 17:8 (HCSB)
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up from the abyss and go to destruction. Those who live on the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present ⌊again⌋.

Revelation 20:15 (HCSB)
15 And anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27 (HCSB)
27 Nothing profane will ever enter it: no one who does what is vile or false, but only those written in the Lamb’s book of life.


HIS WORK ON THE BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT; BASED ON HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE DECISIONS MEN WOULD MAKE.

Someone who denies that GOD is that POWERFUL AND ALL KNOWING, needs to do some serious study on the POWER OF GOD, and HIS ALL KNOWING NATURE.

Isaiah 46:9-10 (HCSB)
9 Remember what happened long ago, for I am God, and there is no other; ⌊I am⌋ God, and no one is like Me.
10 I declare the end from the beginning, and from long ago what is not yet done, saying: My plan will take place, and I will do all My will.
 

OneOfHis

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I believe all that are born of God including Jesus Christ is good.

As for you
You can believe as you like
What is that to me?
Welp, you claim to have never sinned since being born again.

Are you aware that Jesus is God?
Many of those who think themselves as perfectly sinless wont say more than "Jesus is the son of God"


you understand that Jesus is God in the flesh right?
 

VCO

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Exactly! And God Himself bears witness that you are a sinner, for no one is good, no not one, only God. Again, those are not my words, they are God’s words as found in Scripture.

Sounds like somebody needs to do some studying on what all GOD considers SIN.

Here is one of the verses you were referring to:

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.
 

DeighAnn

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What are the works of salvation?
Yes HE DOES have that Power and Authority, However, He is Part of the ALL KNOWING GOD, and SAVED EVERYONE based on HIS PLAN TO REDEEM US BEFORE TIME BEGAN. HE KNEW every decision that everyone would make, before the Beginning of TIME. So based on HIS ADVANCED UNDERSTANDING of everyone's decisions before the foundation of the Earth, NO ONE'S NAME will be blotted out, because HE IS PERFECT. THEREFORE sense HE IS PERFECT, and the Lamb's BOOK OF LIFE, which was written before the Foundation of the Earth, HIS WORK ON THAT BOOK OF LIFE WILL BE PERFECT TOO.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace,
which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Psalm 69:27-28 (NIV) {Part of King David's Prayer against his Enemies.}
27 Charge them with crime upon crime; do not let them share in your salvation.
28 May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5 (ESV)
5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.


Revelation 13:7-9 (HCSB)
7 And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him {Antichrist}, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
9 If anyone has an ear, he should listen:

Revelation 17:8 (HCSB)
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up from the abyss and go to destruction. Those who live on the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present ⌊again⌋.

Revelation 20:15 (HCSB)
15 And anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27 (HCSB)
27 Nothing profane will ever enter it: no one who does what is vile or false, but only those written in the Lamb’s book of life.


HIS WORK ON THE BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT; BASED ON HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE DECISIONS MEN WOULD MAKE.

Someone who denies that GOD is that POWERFUL AND ALL KNOWING, needs to do some serious study on the POWER OF GOD, and HIS ALL KNOWING NATURE.

Isaiah 46:9-10 (HCSB)
9 Remember what happened long ago, for I am God, and there is no other; ⌊I am⌋ God, and no one is like Me.
10 I declare the end from the beginning, and from long ago what is not yet done, saying: My plan will take place, and I will do all My will.
Jesus came for His own. There is an eternal covenant with them. That is not all people.

It is not because He knows what they will do. It is because of what they already did. I know, I know, I am all wrong. I foreknew (I knew them before, or you could change the meaning because that isn't what God really meant to say He meant to say???? someone will let me know) I pre destined (decided before, unless the meaning of pre destined also needs to also be changed), Jacob I loved, Esau I hated (from before, previous, unless that is not what God meant to say there also)....you are negating freewill (unless of course that isn't what God really meant by freewill either)( if it is already all set, why are we doing it). I know, I know, wrong again. But it is Gods truth.

Do you know when the beginning was? Do you know why God repented of putting us in the flesh? Do you remember when all of the sons of God shouted for Joy? Do you know when it was Satan was the protecting cherub? Do you know when Iniquity was found in him? (Before he was walking around in the garden) Did you know the earth was created to be inhabited? Do you know when it became void and without form? Do you know why God said to replenish the earth? I know, I know, I know nothing. I am wrong.
 

FollowHisSteps

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If you say you are without sin you are calling God a liar. Those are not my words, those are God’s words found in Scripture. And His words are not opinion; they are fact.

I reiterate, you are a sinner. That does not mean you are evil, it means you are not perfect. You never have been and you never will be on this side of Heaven.
Hey immortal, I thought you had a perfect spirit. So saying we are not perfect for you is not true or are you denying your own beliefs by agreeing we are cleansed saints being transformed into His likeness
 

stonesoffire

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Hey immortal, I thought you had a perfect spirit. So saying we are not perfect for you is not true or are you denying your own beliefs by agreeing we are cleansed saints being transformed into His likeness
We do have a sealed spirit if filled with Holy Spirit, but we also have a soul, and a mind needing renewing. It’s our soul that we reckon dead daily. It’s not perfect. But I don’t agree that we are sinners. Not with a new nature. Truth is we are the righteous seed of Christ Jesus, in Christ Jesus.

As a baby needing to grow up into Him. I remember my babies and having to clean them up. Get them ready for church and they would go outside and splash in mud puddles.