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If JESUS can save us at our worst and GRACE out bounds our SIN and we are placed into a positioning of GRACE....NO ONE will ever convince me that we have to HELP maintain that which he starts and promises to finish....or that we can LOSE IT.....HE promises to NEVER leave us or forsake us and states clearly that EVEN if we become faithless AFTER faith that he will ABIDE faithful because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF <----salvation losers HAVE no concept of this truth and what it means
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I will defend that positioning of grace even though the gates of hell are gathered together against it.........I will defend it until the gates are welded shut.....
Where sin ABOUNDS--->GRACE ABOUNDS the MORE and MY GOD saves to the uttermost and KEEPS by his power through the FAITH he BEGAN and that HE FINISHES......
Where sin ABOUNDS--->GRACE ABOUNDS the MORE and MY GOD saves to the uttermost and KEEPS by his power through the FAITH he BEGAN and that HE FINISHES......
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Are you sure that you are not OVERLY SENSITIVE ? ? ?
dc and I got into a heated debate a few pages back.
Maybe some thought we were having a slug fest, but not us.
I still think of him as a Friend, and brother in Christ.
I think we are called to stand firm for our Beliefs, and not roll over and play dead.
JESUS:
John 8:43-45 (HCSB)
43 Why don’t you understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to My word.
44 You are of your father the Devil and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
John 2:14-16 (HCSB)
14 In the temple complex He found people selling oxen, sheep, and doves, and ⌊He also found⌋ the money changers sitting there.
15 After making a whip out of cords, He drove everyone out of the temple complex with their sheep and oxen. He also poured out the money changers’ coins and overturned the tables.
16 He told those who were selling doves, “Get these things out of here! Stop turning My Father’s house into a marketplace!”
I do not think he said either of those statements in a friendly tone.
PAUL:
Acts 20:28-31 (HCSB)
28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock that the Holy Spirit has appointed you to as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.
2 Timothy 4:14 (HCSB)
14 Alexander the coppersmith did great harm to me. The Lord will repay him according to his works.
1 Timothy 1:18-20 (HCSB)
18 Timothy, my son, I am giving you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies previously made about you, so that by them you may strongly engage in battle,
19 having faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and have suffered the shipwreck of their faith.
20 Hymenaeus and Alexander are among them, and I have delivered them to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme.
PETER:
1 Peter 5:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Be serious! Be alert! Your adversary the Devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for anyone he can devour.
9 Resist him and be firm in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are being experienced by your fellow believers throughout the world.
2 Peter 1:16 (HCSB)
16 For we did not follow cleverly contrived myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; instead, we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
2 Peter 2:1-6 (HCSB)
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their unrestrained ways, and the way of truth will be blasphemed because of them.
3 They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, ⌊pronounced⌋ long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.
4 For if God didn’t spare the angels who sinned but threw them down into Tartarus and delivered them to be kept in chains of darkness until judgment;
5 and ⌊if⌋ He didn’t spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others, when He brought a flood on the world of the ungodly;
6 and ⌊if⌋ He reduced the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes and condemned them to ruin, making them an example to those who were going to be ungodly;
2 Peter 2:12-19 (HCSB)
12 But these people, like irrational animals—creatures of instinct born to be caught and destroyed—speak blasphemies about things they don’t understand, and in their destruction they too will be destroyed,
13 suffering harm as the payment for unrighteousness. They consider it a pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, delighting in their deceptions as they feast with you.
14 They have eyes full of adultery and are always looking for sin. They seduce unstable people and have hearts trained in greed. Children under a curse!
15 They have gone astray by abandoning the straight path and have followed the path of Balaam, the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness
16 but received a rebuke for his transgression: A donkey that could not talk spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s irrationality.
17 These people are springs without water, mists driven by a whirlwind. The gloom of darkness has been reserved for them.
18 For by uttering boastful, empty words, they seduce, with fleshly desires and debauchery, people who have barely escaped from those who live in error.
19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption, since people are enslaved to whatever defeats them.
JUDE:
Jude 1:3-4 (HCSB)
3 Dear friends, although I was eager to write you about the salvation we share, I found it necessary to write and exhort you to contend for the faith that was delivered to the saints once for all.
4 For some men, who were designated for this judgment long ago, have come in by stealth; they are ungodly, turning the grace of our God into promiscuity and denying Jesus Christ, our only Master and Lord.
Correct me if I am wrong, BUT I SEE ZERO Tolerance for False Teachings, even with Jesus.
Yes some here get carried away, in a heated discussion, and both sides share the blame, but I still do not see Scripture to be Tolerant of False Teaching.
dc and I got into a heated debate a few pages back.
Maybe some thought we were having a slug fest, but not us.
I still think of him as a Friend, and brother in Christ.
I think we are called to stand firm for our Beliefs, and not roll over and play dead.
JESUS:
John 8:43-45 (HCSB)
43 Why don’t you understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to My word.
44 You are of your father the Devil and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
John 2:14-16 (HCSB)
14 In the temple complex He found people selling oxen, sheep, and doves, and ⌊He also found⌋ the money changers sitting there.
15 After making a whip out of cords, He drove everyone out of the temple complex with their sheep and oxen. He also poured out the money changers’ coins and overturned the tables.
16 He told those who were selling doves, “Get these things out of here! Stop turning My Father’s house into a marketplace!”
I do not think he said either of those statements in a friendly tone.
PAUL:
Acts 20:28-31 (HCSB)
28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock that the Holy Spirit has appointed you to as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.
2 Timothy 4:14 (HCSB)
14 Alexander the coppersmith did great harm to me. The Lord will repay him according to his works.
1 Timothy 1:18-20 (HCSB)
18 Timothy, my son, I am giving you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies previously made about you, so that by them you may strongly engage in battle,
19 having faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and have suffered the shipwreck of their faith.
20 Hymenaeus and Alexander are among them, and I have delivered them to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme.
PETER:
1 Peter 5:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Be serious! Be alert! Your adversary the Devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for anyone he can devour.
9 Resist him and be firm in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are being experienced by your fellow believers throughout the world.
2 Peter 1:16 (HCSB)
16 For we did not follow cleverly contrived myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; instead, we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
2 Peter 2:1-6 (HCSB)
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their unrestrained ways, and the way of truth will be blasphemed because of them.
3 They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, ⌊pronounced⌋ long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.
4 For if God didn’t spare the angels who sinned but threw them down into Tartarus and delivered them to be kept in chains of darkness until judgment;
5 and ⌊if⌋ He didn’t spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others, when He brought a flood on the world of the ungodly;
6 and ⌊if⌋ He reduced the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes and condemned them to ruin, making them an example to those who were going to be ungodly;
2 Peter 2:12-19 (HCSB)
12 But these people, like irrational animals—creatures of instinct born to be caught and destroyed—speak blasphemies about things they don’t understand, and in their destruction they too will be destroyed,
13 suffering harm as the payment for unrighteousness. They consider it a pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, delighting in their deceptions as they feast with you.
14 They have eyes full of adultery and are always looking for sin. They seduce unstable people and have hearts trained in greed. Children under a curse!
15 They have gone astray by abandoning the straight path and have followed the path of Balaam, the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness
16 but received a rebuke for his transgression: A donkey that could not talk spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s irrationality.
17 These people are springs without water, mists driven by a whirlwind. The gloom of darkness has been reserved for them.
18 For by uttering boastful, empty words, they seduce, with fleshly desires and debauchery, people who have barely escaped from those who live in error.
19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption, since people are enslaved to whatever defeats them.
JUDE:
Jude 1:3-4 (HCSB)
3 Dear friends, although I was eager to write you about the salvation we share, I found it necessary to write and exhort you to contend for the faith that was delivered to the saints once for all.
4 For some men, who were designated for this judgment long ago, have come in by stealth; they are ungodly, turning the grace of our God into promiscuity and denying Jesus Christ, our only Master and Lord.
Correct me if I am wrong, BUT I SEE ZERO Tolerance for False Teachings, even with Jesus.
Yes some here get carried away, in a heated discussion, and both sides share the blame, but I still do not see Scripture to be Tolerant of False Teaching.
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You know its sad. You appologized for something a few weeks ago. Yet here you go again.
When are you going to start to chasten those from your won group who are attacking? Is it because you believe as they do? So according to you its not an attack?
your hurting your own cause by being this way
When are you going to start to chasten those from your won group who are attacking? Is it because you believe as they do? So according to you its not an attack?
your hurting your own cause by being this way
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I think it is time to repost this.. some people do not get it!
Remember,
Its ok for them to say we HATE GOD
Its ok for them to say WE HATE GODS LAW
Its ok for them to say we HATE OBEDIENCE
Its ok for them to say we LOVE SIN
Etc etc etc....
But how dare we say anything about their belief...
Remember,
Its ok for them to say we HATE GOD
Its ok for them to say WE HATE GODS LAW
Its ok for them to say we HATE OBEDIENCE
Its ok for them to say we LOVE SIN
Etc etc etc....
But how dare we say anything about their belief...
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This is quite a list. I wonder who has said these things about you.
Clearly your position is we cannot obey Gods law, and cannot be cleansed of sin.
Reconciliation through the atoning sacrifice is not good enough, Jesus just covers the sin,
so God cannot see it. Washing does not make you clean, one is not whiter than white.
Compromise with sin from our perspective is, do not go through each known sin and resolve it.
There are too many to even know or comprehend.
It is like a guy who has never cleaned their house suddenly being told it needs to get sorted,
and just going impossible it is just too much. Nope a little every day and it will get done.
Jesus and the Father called us to resolve and sinful behaviour and leave it, to do good and not evil.
It is a simple proposal. If you can suspend disbelief this is possible and read the passages assuming
God can deliver this in your life, ask the simple question, is this what they are saying?
And the simple answer is of course. The impure will never enter the Kingdom of God.
Purify yourselves,
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and
purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1
1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything
that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 Cor 7
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4
Is this not the word of God and Jesus's message to us?
Clearly your position is we cannot obey Gods law, and cannot be cleansed of sin.
Reconciliation through the atoning sacrifice is not good enough, Jesus just covers the sin,
so God cannot see it. Washing does not make you clean, one is not whiter than white.
Compromise with sin from our perspective is, do not go through each known sin and resolve it.
There are too many to even know or comprehend.
It is like a guy who has never cleaned their house suddenly being told it needs to get sorted,
and just going impossible it is just too much. Nope a little every day and it will get done.
Jesus and the Father called us to resolve and sinful behaviour and leave it, to do good and not evil.
It is a simple proposal. If you can suspend disbelief this is possible and read the passages assuming
God can deliver this in your life, ask the simple question, is this what they are saying?
And the simple answer is of course. The impure will never enter the Kingdom of God.
Purify yourselves,
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and
purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1
1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything
that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 Cor 7
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4
Is this not the word of God and Jesus's message to us?
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I think some believe there is a war going on, and they are determined to win it.
Any means possible, their position is staked out, onward soldiers.
You might hear occasionally their background is in the army, and their attitudes are quite similar.
It is hard not to be provoked by their behaviour, but once you see what they are doing and how dark
their foundation is, you begin to see there is nothing really they can do.
Love transcends everything, it comes in, listens, comprehends, discovers where people are, shines the
light and then moves on. You can never beat love because it wishes no harm, just to know how to
help and encourage and build up.
So be encouraged, in the place of greatest darkness, still Christs love shines brighter than bright.
Amen and God bless you
Any means possible, their position is staked out, onward soldiers.
You might hear occasionally their background is in the army, and their attitudes are quite similar.
It is hard not to be provoked by their behaviour, but once you see what they are doing and how dark
their foundation is, you begin to see there is nothing really they can do.
Love transcends everything, it comes in, listens, comprehends, discovers where people are, shines the
light and then moves on. You can never beat love because it wishes no harm, just to know how to
help and encourage and build up.
So be encouraged, in the place of greatest darkness, still Christs love shines brighter than bright.
Amen and God bless you
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The bible does not preach conditional life, it teaches eternal life. Which the apostle john says we can KNOW WE HAVE IT.
For those who do not KNOW THEY HAVE IT, They need to read the epistle of John, WHo said he wrote those things so they can KNOW they have it. Or his gospel. Where he says being born again means having eternal life. Or asking God and he will give you rivers of living water flowing to eternal life. Or the bread of life, which whoever eats will never die, live forever, and HAS eternal life..
For those who do not KNOW THEY HAVE IT, They need to read the epistle of John, WHo said he wrote those things so they can KNOW they have it. Or his gospel. Where he says being born again means having eternal life. Or asking God and he will give you rivers of living water flowing to eternal life. Or the bread of life, which whoever eats will never die, live forever, and HAS eternal life..
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Thank you Smooth.
You summarise in this statement judgementalism. It attempts to simplify complexity, and then rubbish it.
Walking with Jesus anyone can do, and this walk is between Jesus and the individual.
I am not focusing as you suggest, I am making an observation on others and their words in a post.
Jesus and my walk is far greater than this, though you would presume to summarise it as if my words define
how I interact with the Lord. Intercessarory prayer is focused on individuals and bringing concerns and requests
before the Lord. But interceeding is part of our spiritual walk. We also have praise and worship, repentance and
sorrow, thanks and remembering how God has worked and walked with us. Then we have study of His word and
fellowship with believers and witnessing to unbelievers, like here on cc.
I would not presume to say I know anothers walk with Jesus or their past or even their future. I can share Gods
word and His testimony on these realities.
It does concern me that anyone who claims to know Jesus and not work through sin, is truly blind and lost.
It is like saying
"I murdered someone today, but its fine, Jesus gave me a pass twenty years ago, and he is cool with it."
Some will say this is such an extreme example, but it summaries 100% what they believe. The idea is any sorrow,
pain, remorse is just unbelief in the work of Christ and the cross. But in truth, anyone who can do this is a
psychopath and needs imprisoning or removing from the planet permanently.
But even with this clear illustration of the fruits of no sorrow, no repentance, some will call this the gospel we
should embrace as Gods good news to the world. No this is the delusions of guilt ridden ex-legalists who will
do anything to appease their consciences and ignore how bad they feel about themselves. It is pure self
indulgence and self pity, rather than accepting sin, repenting and believing they are forgiven and working it
through. It is really this simple, and why Jesus died upon the cross, Praise the Lord, Amen.
You summarise in this statement judgementalism. It attempts to simplify complexity, and then rubbish it.
Walking with Jesus anyone can do, and this walk is between Jesus and the individual.
I am not focusing as you suggest, I am making an observation on others and their words in a post.
Jesus and my walk is far greater than this, though you would presume to summarise it as if my words define
how I interact with the Lord. Intercessarory prayer is focused on individuals and bringing concerns and requests
before the Lord. But interceeding is part of our spiritual walk. We also have praise and worship, repentance and
sorrow, thanks and remembering how God has worked and walked with us. Then we have study of His word and
fellowship with believers and witnessing to unbelievers, like here on cc.
I would not presume to say I know anothers walk with Jesus or their past or even their future. I can share Gods
word and His testimony on these realities.
It does concern me that anyone who claims to know Jesus and not work through sin, is truly blind and lost.
It is like saying
"I murdered someone today, but its fine, Jesus gave me a pass twenty years ago, and he is cool with it."
Some will say this is such an extreme example, but it summaries 100% what they believe. The idea is any sorrow,
pain, remorse is just unbelief in the work of Christ and the cross. But in truth, anyone who can do this is a
psychopath and needs imprisoning or removing from the planet permanently.
But even with this clear illustration of the fruits of no sorrow, no repentance, some will call this the gospel we
should embrace as Gods good news to the world. No this is the delusions of guilt ridden ex-legalists who will
do anything to appease their consciences and ignore how bad they feel about themselves. It is pure self
indulgence and self pity, rather than accepting sin, repenting and believing they are forgiven and working it
through. It is really this simple, and why Jesus died upon the cross, Praise the Lord, Amen.
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