THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[KJV1611]

If you cannot honestly embrace what PAUL said in the following verse bro....just forget responding to me on this issue.....the grammar is clear!

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

How are you so sure that I’ve got it wrong but you have NO CLUE what Paul is talking about?

You’re free to put me on ignore but I’m gonna call you out on BS responses. Like the two you’ve made to me so far.

Maybe you could explain “the clear grammar” to all of us reading your responses. Or you could be a man and admit that you don’t understand it.

 

[KJV1611]

For those of you that have "ears to hear", in other words you can HEAR THE WORDS because your ears aren't stopped up with preconceived end times scenarios, it is impossible for us to be members of the HIS BODY unless the twain have ALREADY become ONE FLESH.

Read it for yourself with OPEN EARS.

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

[UnderGrace]

For those of you that have "ears to hear", in other words you can HEAR THE WORDS because your ears aren't stopped up with preconceived end times scenarios, it is impossible for us to be members of the HIS BODY unless the twain have ALREADY become ONE FLESH.

Read it for yourself with OPEN EARS.

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Just as I read this I think that "a great mystery" is above and beyond human understanding our union with Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

Just as I read this I think that "a great mystery" is above and beyond human understanding our union with Christ.

1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Not sure why you would think that we can't understand, especially Paul because Paul said in 1 Corinthians that HE speaks the wisdom of God in MYSTERY form.

To me it's cut and dry. Since the analogy (man and woman coming together as one flesh) is used to symbolize Christ and the church, then the man is Christ and the woman is the church so the two becoming ONE FLESH is the body of Christ.... of which we are members right now.

Your point is well taken, we can agree to disagree.

 

[UnderGrace]

1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Not sure why you would think that we can't understand, especially Paul because Paul said in 1 Corinthians that HE speaks the wisdom of God in MYSTERY form.

To me it's cut and dry. Since the analogy (man and woman coming together as one flesh) is used to symbolize Christ and the church, then the man is Christ and the woman is the church so the two becoming ONE FLESH is the body of Christ.... of which we are members right now.

Your point is well taken, we can agree to disagree.

Not really sure it is a disagreement, just an added level of understanding.

I always consider the first audience and this is also a new concept for his audience, something they are coming to learn and understand so in that sense it is a mystery to them.

However I still think it is mysterious in that it challenges our thinking ........what he stating is essentially in mathematical terms like 1+1=1, which challenges everything we know and understand.

 

[dcontroversal]

When it says ADORNED AS A BRIDE, that is not calling the Fathers HOUSE the BRIDE. It is a Jewish expression that the House will be made up as the BRIDE HERSELF IS MADE UP. It always took play in the Father's House, Here are some Homes that are Adorned as a Bride:

Notice the Bride is VAILED, and SO IS THE HOUSE.

Yeah...for sure reject the INSPIRED definite ARTICLE "THE" <----one reason why so many errors are peddled in the Lord's churches.....people rejecting, denying and or flat dismissing the inspired verbiage.....WHY is that?

What does THE mean grammatically?

 

[Absolutely]

we can call this proof-texting gone wrong

you say it doesnt count as a coming but read ONE VERSE before that:

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

guess what coming that is? its the second coming. THE parousia (one singular).

And yet he comes mid trib to gather ripe fruit.
Your case is debunked

 

[VCO]

Matthew 24:27 (HCSB)
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

NOTHING to do with the SPEED of the resurrection/change..........

AND you left off the other aspect of this verse......

IT has to do with it being VISIBLE.................!!

I should have put the Twinkling of an Eye there too. That is such an minute particle of one second that it cannot be measured.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (ESV)
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

 

[UnderGrace]

Yeah...for sure reject the INSPIRED definite ARTICLE "THE" <----one reason why so many errors are peddled in the Lord's churches.....people rejecting, denying and or flat dismissing the inspired verbiage.....WHY is that?

What does THE mean grammatically?

Well I do know when one uses "the" it is a specific reference to something, as opposed to 'a" which is general reference.

However that doesn't mean I understand @VCO is stating?

 

[Absolutely]

Yeah...for sure reject the INSPIRED definite ARTICLE "THE" <----one reason why so many errors are peddled in the Lord's churches.....people rejecting, denying and or flat dismissing the inspired verbiage.....WHY is that?

What does THE mean grammatically?

Like "all"
The ac kills "all" refusing the mark during the gt.

That alone leaves no room for anything but a pretrib rapture

 

[VCO]

Yeah...for sure reject the INSPIRED definite ARTICLE "THE" <----one reason why so many errors are peddled in the Lord's churches.....people rejecting, denying and or flat dismissing the inspired verbiage.....WHY is that?

What does THE mean grammatically?

Okay I may be dumb, but show me what you mean?

 

[Absolutely]

I should have put the Twinkling of an Eye there too. That is such an minute particle of one second that it cannot be measured.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (ESV)
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Yeah, over and over we see the second coming can not be the rapture.

 

[KJV1611]

Does anyone know if these two Jerusalem's are the same? I mean are there two different Jerusalem's in heaven?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[VCO]

i know. but many post-tribbers say Holy Spirit told them its post-trib.

they got their dreams and visions like pretribbers.

its a stalemate

No according to my human spirit. Besides, it is not my job to persuade anybody. That is the Holy Spirit's job.

 

[Absolutely]

Okay I may be dumb, but show me what you mean?

He thinks when the angel says "i will show you THE bride,then shows him a walled city,he thinks that is THE BRIDE

 

[VCO]

Does anyone know if these two Jerusalem's are the same? I mean are there two different Jerusalem's in heaven?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

If you mean the earthly Jerusalem compared to the Heavenly Jerusalem, that will be lowered to the EARTH when HE created the New Heavens {atmosphere} and Earth at the end of HIS 1000 Year Kingdom, NO they are not the same. It is my understanding that according to Jewish Marriage Traditions, the Bridegroom has to build a NEW DWELLING PLACE, in HIS Father's HOUSE, before the FATHER can tell Him the New Dwelling place is finished, GO GET YOUR BRIDE. That is where the New City Jerusalem in Heaven comes from. I think it is actually our New Dwelling Place that Our Bridegroom has prepared for us.

Welcome KJV1611, long time no see.

Some one once asked me, How are we going to in heaven during our off time, and at the same time our job will be to reign as priests in the temple here on Earth. I suspect that is why Jacob had his DREAM of the Ladder going to Heaven. IF SO, I hope it is a super fast Escalator.

 

[KJV1611]

If you mean the earthly Jerusalem compared to the Heavenly Jerusalem, that will be lowered to the EARTH when HE created the New Heavens {atmosphere} and Earth at the end of HIS 1000 Year Kingdom, NO they are not the same. It is my understanding that according to Jewish Marriage Traditions, the Bridegroom has to build a NEW DWELLING PLACE, in HIS Father's HOUSE, before the FATHER can tell Him the New Dwelling place is finished, GO GET YOUR BRIDE. That is where the New City Jerusalem in Heaven comes from. I think it is actually our New Dwelling Place that Our Bridegroom has prepared for us.

Welcome KJV1611, long time no see.

Some one once asked me, How are we going to in heaven during our off time, and at the same time our job will be to reign as priests in the temple here on Earth. I suspect that is why Jacob had his DREAM of the Ladder going to Heaven. IF SO, I hope it is a super fast Escalator.

Thank you VCO it's good to be back. I wasn't talking about earthly Jerusalem. Galatians speaks of a Jerusalem in heaven and so does Revelation. I'm asking if these two heavenly Jerusalem's are the same?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[VCO]

He thinks when the angel says "i will show you THE bride,then shows him a walled city,he thinks that is THE BRIDE

That is ridiculous, when Jesus is the Head of the Bride, and the Holy Spirit immersed us into one BODY, the spiritual Body of Christ.

Adorned as a Bride is a Jewish expression of making the Father's House up as you do for the BRIDE.

There is a House that is ADORN AS A BRIDE, does not mean the house is the BRIDE. You have to study JEWISH WEDDING TRADITIONS to understand that fully.

 

[garee]

i thought i was only person in the world to say this.

i said this in a bible study and even the pastor didnt notice its talking about the city of new jerusalem lol. not the church.
one guy tried to say new jerusalem IS church(amill church)

Thinking about it. Its like a cat fight get then nails out. who is the wife... no hair pulling..LOL.

Yes the church. God creating a bride that he can dwell with and love forever as a faithful wife. The one that is first described (Genesis 3:15) her husband promised to crush the head her nemesis, the father of lies also called the strange woman who seeks to fornicate with gods.

A few examples as to how the metaphor "strange woman" is used .

Judges 11:2And Gilead's wife bare him sons; and his wife's sons grew up, and they thrust out Jephthah, and said unto him, Thou shalt not inherit in our father's house; for thou art the son of a strange woman.

Proverbs 2:16To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;

Proverbs 5:3 For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:

The bride as the mother of us all is made up of many lively stones that does make up the spiritual unseen house of God, the heavenly Jerusalem . She will come down on the last day.

The first recorded member as part of the chaste virgin bride spoken of Timothy Paul as a surrogate womb. Paul holding out the gospel seed in hope Christ would form it. The hope of evangelist build her up. Abel the first murdered martyr a s a chaste virgin bride .

Below the Spirit of Christ uses Paul to represent the bride of Christ. Knowing what we are is not what we will be (1 John 3:2)

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Again in another parable

2 Corinthians 11:2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

And the Amil position which supports the signified language of Revelation does work best when trying to reconcile the bride of Christ first spoken of.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[VCO]

Thank you VCO it's good to be back. I wasn't talking about earthly Jerusalem. Galatians speaks of a Jerusalem in heaven and so does Revelation. I'm asking if these two heavenly Jerusalem's are the same?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

I have a pretty denominationally nuetral commentary, by Dr. William MacDonald. In his Commentary, he writes on Gal. 4:26, these comments:

"4:26 The capital city of those who are justified by faith is the heavenly Jerusalem. It is the mother of all believers, both Jew and Gentile.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding."

So I would agree that the Heavenly Jerusalem, is kind of a mother to EVERYONE who has the FAITH OF ABRAHAM.

Romans 4:3 (KJV)
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.