THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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rapture is talked about all the time in american(and american influenced) churches and its up for anyone to guess which is a second coming verse which is a rapture verse, because of unnecessary division to force a doctrine. if you have seen those charts that compare the so called rapture passages to second coming passages you cant help but laugh because is the second coming doom and gloom? yes if you are unsaved. if you are saved its great. no need to separate it as "rapture pleasant event, comfort" "second coming doom and gloom, destruction"

the rapture is nothing but the resurrection on the last day. thats all it is. resurrection. thats what the word means. dead in Christ shall rise first means resurrection. those who are alive at that time will be instantly transformed into resurrection bodies. nothing more to it than that.
the purpose of the resurrection isnt to save people from distress or harm. pre-trib doesnt preach in china.


i wish the word rapture dies a quick death and we go back to the word resurrection what it actually is. just so complicated. lets go back to the simplicity
Without "catching up"
Jesus stayed on earth
As did /do the 2 witnesses
And the 144k and those a few sentences later in rev 14.

1 thes 4? Those caught up/raptured alive?

Whew, that is a lot of heaven in disagreement with you
 
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I agree that Jesus is deity, but even Jesus himself said he had a birth. He was born from above, he came from above.

Joh 18:37 (KJV) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
He continued through his incarnation.
He did not "begin to exist"
 
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I should have put the Twinkling of an Eye there too. That is such an minute particle of one second that it cannot be measured.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (ESV)
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
The speed at which we are transformed or resurrected has nothing to do with the TIMING of the actual event!
 
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all of those are second coming passages though. thats how i look at them.
There is no rapture post trib.
We see at least 3 "comings"

2 of which he never touches earth.

You got an insurmountable obsticle in rev 14
Rev 14 is a thread killer
 
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Okay I may be dumb, but show me what you mean?
The Greek definite article translated "THE" points to what is known and an obvious conclusion.......and I never said you were dumb!

And the "DEFINITE" article is APPLIED to NEW JERUSALEM and IDENTIFIED as THE BRIDE........
 
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The speed at which we are transformed or resurrected has nothing to do with the TIMING of the actual event!
There are no dead raised at the second coming.

Besides,the rapture in rev 14 is neither post or pretrib,and no dead are raised.

Your theory is too heavily invested in and is debunked.
You should have tested it against the bible.
 
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The Greek definite article translated "THE" points to what is known and an obvious conclusion.......and I never said you were dumb!

And the "DEFINITE" article is APPLIED to NEW JERUSALEM and IDENTIFIED as THE BRIDE........
So,you now believe Jesus marries a building?
 
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Like "all"
The ac kills "all" refusing the mark during the gt.

That alone leaves no room for anything but a pretrib rapture
I suggest you study it a little bit further.........and then apply the word KEEP as applied unto the FAITHFUL!
 
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How are you so sure that I’ve got it wrong but you have NO CLUE what Paul is talking about?

You’re free to put me on ignore but I’m gonna call you out on BS responses. Like the two you’ve made to me so far.

Maybe you could explain “the clear grammar” to all of us reading your responses. Or you could be a man and admit that you don’t understand it.
I understand it just fine pal and can read.....Paul was clear....it was a GREAT MYSTERY <---and HE clearly states what was the great mystery....so....keep bloviating like you know what you are talking about.....

You remind me of my Uncle....a SBC preacher that allows Methodists, Catholics and Lutherans behind his pulpit....who do you identify with?
 
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I understand it just fine pal and can read.....Paul was clear....it was a GREAT MYSTERY <---and HE clearly states what was the great mystery....so....keep bloviating like you know what you are talking about.....

You remind me of my Uncle....a SBC preacher that allows Methodists, Catholics and Lutherans behind his pulpit....who do you identify with?
When a man and woman come together, the result is a NEW CREATION - a little baby. The two have become one flesh in the NEW CREATION. Do you agree with this?
 
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When a man and woman come together, the result is a NEW CREATION - a little baby. The two have become one flesh in the NEW CREATION. Do you agree with this?
Do you know the difference between TYPE and ANTI-TYPE <----that is the comparison and the MYSTERY was directed at CHRIST and the CHURCH......PAUL was not comparing the marriage of a MAN and WOMAN to Christ and his CHURCH.

And to be honest.....your mouthy comment about putting you on ignore fired me right up because I said NO such thing or even indicated that!
 
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I suggest you study it a little bit further.........and then apply the word KEEP as applied unto the FAITHFUL!
He told the faithful disciples "not a hair of your head shall be harmed"

Millions/billions die in the gt.

I suppose you just apply one of your catchphrases to martyrdom
"Keep"?
He "keeps" those martyred?

Uh,maybe study some more?
You can't catchphrase the rapture away,the bride away,or the Fact that THE BIBLE SAYS,not me,that all die without the mark when the ac takes power.
Your problem is with what the bible says
 
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Do you know the difference between TYPE and ANTI-TYPE <----that is the comparison and the MYSTERY was directed at CHRIST and the CHURCH......PAUL was not comparing the marriage of a MAN and WOMAN to Christ and his CHURCH.

And to be honest.....your mouthy comment about putting you on ignore fired me right up because I said NO such thing or even indicated that!
Sounds like you got it all figured.
 
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The following parable is a contrast between the Jews and Gentiles. The JEWS are invited to the WEDDING BANQUET and reject. SO the GENTILES are gathered, given a wedding garment and CALLED GUESTS of the WEDDING BANQUET.

I want someone to prove to me HOW the GUESTS at a wedding banquet can ALSO be the BRIDE!

The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to call those he had invited to the banquet, but they refused to come. Again, he sent other servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner. My oxen and fattened cattle have been killed, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet. But they paid no attention and went away, one to his field, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding. So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests. “But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
 
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It is idiotic responses like this from you that leads me to hardly engaged your drivel!
your post;
""And the "DEFINITE" article is APPLIED to NEW JERUSALEM and IDENTIFIED as THE BRIDE.......""

Sounds like you are really pressing that the bride is a building

Your spotlight is so obvious. "The" is the gamechanger for you for some reason.
 
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He told the faithful disciples "not a hair of your head shall be harmed"

Millions/billions die in the gt.

I suppose you just apply one of your catchphrases to martyrdom
"Keep"?
He "keeps" those martyred?

Uh,maybe study some more?
You can't catchphrase the rapture away,the bride away,or the Fact that THE BIBLE SAYS,not me,that all die without the mark when the ac takes power.
Your problem is with what the bible says
More proof that you really do not understand what you are talking about......GOD writes revelation to 7 churches....the FAITHFUL per the 7 letters are told they will BE KEPT during that time frame....the word KEEP/KEPT = hedge up, guard, protect from loss or HARM....NOT remove.

We are done arguing.....I was raised in a church that crammed that crap down our throat (Imminent return) it is not supported by scripture. If you want to believe you are going to "poof" and disappear in some magical imminent return where everyone wonders where you went.....have a ball.

The bible is clear......some will be protected, hidden, preserved until the PAROUSIA of CHRIST and if he did not COME when he does NO FLESH will be left alive!
 
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your post;
""And the "DEFINITE" article is APPLIED to NEW JERUSALEM and IDENTIFIED as THE BRIDE.......""

Sounds like you are really pressing that the bride is a building

Your spotlight is so obvious. "The" is the gamechanger for you for some reason.
Take it up with God...he inspired the verbiage and it is obvious that you and a few others dismiss the inspired words......

EVERY word of God is inspired <----in your case only the words you choose to embrace are inspired!