THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[Absolutely]

^ I think I may have that book title/hard copy (I did mention before, that my book collection spans the entire gamut of viewpoints [by the ton! lol])… and if I'm recalling correctly (plz correct me if I'm mistaken here), does he suggest that the "10 [or even the 5] Virgins [PLURAL]" are who Jesus is supposed to be coming to MARRY??

(I've mentioned numerous times, here on CC, that I wholly disagree with that "take" on things; they [these PLURAL virgins] are who will "G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANY" Him into "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [the earthly MK commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth; NOT "the MARRIAGE" itself! (G4862 instead!)]--these [PLURAL] virgins never lift off the earth!)

No,you read that into it.

Here is what it says;
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Look at that ingredient;
"12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

He ties it to the rapture.

Vivid picture of the bride/groom/rapture/ with the carnal church left behind.

Then you must dismiss the references to the supper in heaven

 

[Absolutely]

^ I think I may have that book title/hard copy (I did mention before, that my book collection spans the entire gamut of viewpoints [by the ton! lol])… and if I'm recalling correctly (plz correct me if I'm mistaken here), does he suggest that the "10 [or even the 5] Virgins [PLURAL]" are who Jesus is supposed to be coming to MARRY??

(I've mentioned numerous times, here on CC, that I wholly disagree with that "take" on things; they [these PLURAL virgins] are who will "G3326 - meta - ACCOMPANY" Him into "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [the earthly MK commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth; NOT "the MARRIAGE" itself! (G4862 instead!)]--these [PLURAL] virgins never lift off the earth!)

""I'm recalling correctly (plz correct me if I'm mistaken here), does he suggest that the "10 [or even the 5] Virgins [PLURAL]" are who Jesus is supposed to be coming to MARRY??""

The bride is not one believer.
Neither is the body of christ

Both dynamics are made up of billions/millions of believers

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ Abs, I don't hold to the Partial Rapture Theory as you do. I believe Paul said (even to the Corinthians, who he'd earlier in that same letter said were "yet carnal... and walk as [mere] men" (chpt 3) that "we shall ALL be changed" (chpt 15:51).

I'm not convinced that "Ruth" represents "the Church which is His body"... but perhaps, as your sentence said, "Naomi,the Jewess, is covenant through lineage. She was the set up to see to it ruth connected with Boaz," is more corresponding with the whole of Rev7 (and others, like Matt24:14(26:13) and Matt22:8-14[<--not US DOING this "INVITING" to the Wedding FEAST/SUPPER/earthly-MK (that "INVITING" takes place on the earth FOLLOWING our Rapture)]), which I do NOT see as referring to "the Church which is His body" and "our Rapture"...

 

[Absolutely]

I read an article long ago (doubt I could find it now, but may give it a try) that was fairly good in its cautioning of [/against] using the [oft-referred to] "Jewish wedding [model]" to get our ideas from, as there are a number of discrepancies (they pointed out, fairly well)… which I agreed with said article (for the most part)… My view is, where it matches Scripture, okay, but where it deviates (and in some places, does so), then not okay there. [I'm not sure where Z.Levitt's view would fall, in this regard..., so not speaking of him in particular. I simply do not recall]

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
Jesus's first miracle was at a wedding.
He made the wine and it was supernatural.
He ended his earthly association and precross ministry with wine.
At that meeting,he placed a "continuance" or "to be continued in heaven"

The next to last sentance of the bible has the bride calling out for her groom.

That theme is central to understanding the rapture.

The supper was part of the wedding,not a event put off for years.

It is definately in heaven

 

[Absolutely]

^ Abs, I don't hold to the Partial Rapture Theory as you do. I believe Paul said (even to the Corinthians, who he'd earlier in that same letter said were "yet carnal... and walk as [mere] men" (chpt 3) that "we shall ALL be changed" (chpt 15:51).

I'm not convinced that "Ruth" represents "the Church which is His body"... but perhaps, as your sentence said, "Naomi,the Jewess, is covenant through lineage. She was the set up to see to it ruth connected with Boaz," is more corresponding with the whole of Rev7 (and others, like Matt24:14(26:13) and Matt22:8-14[<--not US DOING this "INVITING" to the Wedding FEAST/SUPPER/earthly-MK (that "INVITING" takes place on the earth FOLLOWING our Rapture)]), which I do NOT see as referring to "the Church which is His body" and "our Rapture"...

Boaz represents Jesus.
He is the kinsman redeemer.
He marries a gentile,that came to know him through the jew.

The types are vivid.
But evidently somehow threaren your theory?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The bride is not one believer.
Neither is the body of christ

Both dynamics are made up of billions/millions of believers

And yet Rev19:7 and 19:9 are distinguishing these, and Paul had said, "that I may present A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR] to Christ"; and here in Matt25:10 PLURAL virgins "accompany [G3326] Him" into the wedding FEAST/SUPPER, whereas when it is speaking of US and our Rapture, the word is not "G3326," but "G4862" (denoting "UNION-with"! not merely "accompanying [G3326]" and in a crowd of them, at that! No. He is not "MARRYING" 10 or even 5 virgins [PLURAL]! That is not the point of that parable or the other wedding feast parables)

 

[UnderGrace]

Show me one wedding in history where the guest are the bride.....don't bother....you will not be able to NAME ONE wedding where the guests ARE also the BRIDE.....

This is pretty funny!!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Jesus's first miracle was at a wedding.
He made the wine and it was supernatural.
He ended his earthly association and precross ministry with wine.
At that meeting,he placed a "continuance" or "to be continued in heaven"

Jesus' first miracle was at a wedding FEAST/SUPPER/CELEBRATION/FESTIVITIES... where GUESTS [PLURAL] were present (including Jesus, His mother, His disciples, the governor of the feast present also, etc), and where it was the responsibility of the bridegroom to provide the wine at his own wedding feast/supper (per vv.9-10).

[John the baptist, for example, was "FRIEND of the Bridegroom"]


The "BRIDE/WIFE [SINGULAR]" is NOT "the [invited] GUESTS [PLURAL]," nor the "10 [or 5] virginS [PLURAL]," nor the "servants [plural]" of that particular [future] time period

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

[Heb8:8; and 7:22 "HAS BECOME a surety of a better covenant"]

 

[iamsoandso]

Ruth.
In the book of ruth the bride is gentile.
Naomi,the Jewess, is covenant through lineage. She was the set up to see to it ruth connected with Boaz.
So the connection is like a circle.
Naomi got her inheritance,while ruth entered into a better covenant.
Both appeared to have covenant through boaz. (Jesus)

But yes the Jews are thecwayward wife.
Gentiles the bride


Btw,i also researched the bride thingy and it was difficult to find.
I even called the Jews for Jesus and talked to a few of them.
The ancient wedding ceremony is the key.

Yes I was not clear of the resource material Z Levitt was using and wondered if anyone knew(other than buying the cd or pamphlet.lol) it was because of how it was worded which made me curious. His name is/was Levitt so in Jewish genealogy would have if he(or his sons) could provide proof make him an candidate for service as priest(not sure if any spotted this). I think I will just follow along though...

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The supper was part of the wedding,not a event put off for years.

It is my understanding that they were held a week (7 days) apart (not "years"!)... and that Genesis 29:27-28's "fulfil her week" is a "type" of the INTIMATE portion ("the MARRIAGE" itself) reserved only for the wedded couple (not a slew/sluagh of "guests" also present ... That came later!)

It wasn't like today where they have the [very public] wedding ceremony and immediately after have the feast/supper [with those same "guests" present], on the same day, and THEN go off to the honeymoon [alone together to consummate the marriage]. No.

 

[garee]

In 2Cor10:12, I don't see either the word "to number [verb; G705 arithmeó (like is in Rev7:9)]" nor the word "[the] number [noun; G706 arithmos (like is in Rev5:11 and 7:4, and Acts 6:7)]"

https://biblehub.com/text/2_corinthians/10-12.htm


[G706 - arithmos] https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_706.htm

[G705 - arithmeó] https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_705.htm

...so I'm not sure why you've emphasized in it the quote, above (only for the fact that to do so seems [to YOU] to support your viewpoint).



"The last day" is not a "24-hr day" (as so many suggest!), nor is it suggesting that at the 7th Trumpet no more "time" follows (i.e. "the end of time")… The fact that Isaiah 24:21-22[23] parallels [time-wise] Revelation 19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5, so that the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23] is followed by a TIME-PERIOD (same as in Rev19-20), after which, the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words is carried out (same as in Rev20:11-15 GWTj) proves that the "amill-teaching" [idea] of "NO MORE TIME" (at that point-in-time they suggest) does not hold up to scrutiny.

[this is NOT the point being made in Rev10:6-7, etc]

I think it has more to do on how we define the usage of the word "faith" hoping it would increase as we decrease. . I see it (faith) as the fingerprint of God as to how it used throughout apposes no faith .(Not little none) . Old testament as well as the new . The whole testament or perfect law of God. .

Does not hold up to what or whose scrutiny ?

In the twinkling of the eye. The last day. . . the last trump . . .last breath for the faithless. Circling Jericho ressurected or increased the faith of those who heard the meaning of the parable hidden from those who believe not. . The faithful believed God that the walls would fall the last day for the unbelievers .The unbelievers must of thought they were crazy people singing poems about a God not seen all day as some sort of circular reasoning and hoping it would turn out to be law proven by its action. . . . and the walls came tumbling down The last day .

It was the smell of death to the unbeliever but the sweet fragrance of eternal life to those who did have the faith of Christ as that which comes from hearing God as our father .

The last day, the day of the lord, the last day Job saw by faith it while in his flesh (Job 19:25-27 King James Version (KJV)), the day of Jesus Christ. The day he said he would continue to work in those he begun the good work is the end of time our very confidence as a living hope.. . I would offer. . .

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christhil. 1:6

So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. Joshua 6:20

Purifying the hearts of mankind as a work of his faith, working in those who do believe is in every generation .No dispensations needed.

One work of one faith .The Father and the Son working as one.

Faith is a work of God, the author and finisher of our newly crested faith (not of ourselves)

One Lord as God, one faith as the desire of what is hoped for , one work of the faith the baptism the purifying of a living faith,,"Let there be and it was one good fingerprint ". Ephesians below sems to be speaking of that work of faith or called labor of love.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One baptism. . . . the finished work . the words jesus spoke when Him and the father was finished.


Acts 15:8-10 King James Version (KJV)And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


Hebrews 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

 

[Melach]

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

A rapture or gathering DURING the gt.

And yes,we apparently see NO RESURRECTION.
Rapture yes
Resurrection no

Will await your clever rearranging of rev 14

there you go again. rapture is a resurrection lol. you just skip the dying part and are transformed instantly. because dead in Christ rise first.

there is no rapture DURING the gt. as you keep repeating this revelation 14 thing that supposedly destroys everything but pretrib.

you sound like a onetrick pony. not even pre-tribbers i know use this argument you have its so terrible.

you invent all this in your head and because of this i diagnose a rapturemania. you see raptures everywhere. too much indoctrination.

dont talk to me again if you are just going to say this same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and OVER again.
next time you do, you will be ignored and put in to the "washed up rapturemania onetrickponies" bin.

so one more timme where is this supposed raptuer during the gt. in revelation 14. nobody sees it. not even pre-tribbers teach what you do

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Look at that ingredient;
"12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

He ties it to the rapture.
Vivid picture of the bride/groom/rapture/ with the carnal church left behind.

Aside from the fact that some versions leave off the phrase (in verse 13) "wherein the Son of man cometh," (which I personally believe should be there; https://biblehub.com/matthew/25-13.htm ), I've mentioned in past posts, the following points:

--ALL "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth [not our Rapture]

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS" (v.1) refers to "the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom [not our Rapture IN THE AIR]

--Jesus is not coming (in this parable) to "MARRY" 10 nor 5 virgins [PLURAL] (they ACCOMPANY Him into the FEAST/SUPPER--the earthly MK age (or, at least, this is its inauguration)]

--"the DOTL" ARRIVES and (its initial PORTION [7-yrs' worth]) UNFOLDS "IN THE NIGHT" (with its "man of sin" [see Dan7:7] and all he will DO over those 7 yrs)… so that the "watches IN THE NIGHT" speak to this "DARK" time period (i.e. the trib), and therefore "midnight" speaks to this (and necessitates their "taking lamps" in the first place [see also Gen46:2! "IN/OF THE NIGHT"])

--the "WISE" of them, as I see it, parallel the "WISE [of Israel, per context]" of Daniel 12:1-4,10 (and this is NOT speaking of a physical/bodily resurrection from the dead, like v.13 is, but of Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, where scattered, just like in Ezek37:12-14,20-23; Rom11:15[25]; Hos5:15-6:3, etc...; and verse 3 speaks of what they GO ON TO DO following this v.2 "awake" thing)

--I forget the other points I was going to add...

 

[garee]

they spiritualize out of necessity.

amillennialism was systemized by augustine and he made it really popular. the catholic church adopted it. because at that time the church was 'ruling and reigning' so the millennium was now. apostasy was not a thing to consider for them then. then when reformation came they didnt touch eschatology at all and all that came with luther and rest reformers.

one reason i believe amillennialism was held to: hatred for Jews. im sorry to say. but martin luther was a great man yes, but he was also very hateful of the jews and bitter for not reaching them. just like the catholic church was.

the earthly millennium is big problem for those who dont have a future for israel. so they have to wiggle out of it.

Parables using metaphors like the word thousand were systemized by Christ without them he spoke not.

I think we all have a little Jewish blood beginning with Noah . I'm a Heinz 57 variety. ...

What's the flesh and blood thing all about. . those who wrestles against flesh and blood , signified by the word Jacob?

Hatred for the Jews or those who walk by sight glorying in the flesh . Jesus can teach a Jew as easily as teaching a gentile. Christians are to know no man after the flesh... good or bad. Some did know the Son of man in that way .He is gone we know him that way ever again. (one demonstration)

Amillennialism. Catholic and Protestant differ. day and night

Amillennialism the belief that without parables giving another level of spiritual understand Christ the anointing teaching Holy Spirit of God spoke not using words like the word "thousand" as a metaphor to represent a unknown to hide the unseen understanding from the signs and wonder seekers (no faith)

And there is always a hope for those who wrestles with flesh and blood mankind every day life and with Emanuel God with us and yoked with him have the power to overcome because he that is in us is greater than he that is in the world . . ..the father of lies.... walking the avenues of no faith . We should be careful on how we say we hear.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Words have meaning attached to the them. When you start attaching flesh to it it becomes easy to see that some walk that way

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Christian the new name our father named the bride of Christ previously calling her Israel .Not all Israel are born again believers just the born again ones..

The new name ( Christian) a word with no added definitions which means residence as His bride of the city of Christ the new heavenly Jerusalem named after her Husband Christ. same kind of meaning that speaks of his bride the wife those who have God working in them and have over come death. having passed to life evermore.. then called Israel. Describing her resting dead asleep at her residency the mansion he prepared for her.

 

[VCO]

Show me one wedding in history where the guest are the bride.....don't bother....you will not be able to NAME ONE wedding where the guests ARE also the BRIDE.....

Show me one wedding in history where ALL the guests are IMMERSED into the ONE SPIRITUAL BODY, where the BRIDEGROOM IS THE HEAD OF THAT SAME BODY. ONLY JESUS CHRIST CAN BE THAT IMPROBABLE SCENARIO,

Luke 1:37 (NIV)
37 For nothing is impossible with God."

Are you saying you put mortal human limits on GOD?

Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
5 For as a young man marries a young woman,
so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride,
so your God will rejoice over you.

 

[VCO]

It looks like the vision of the resurrection on the last day when we receive our new incoruutped bodies as a parable in Revelation 12.

The glory of the Lord shining down. The Sun and moon, the corruption time keepers under her feet. Its the last day she is coming prepared as his bride clothed in the righteousness of Christ .Neither Jew nor gentile male nor female as the mother of us all (Galatian 4).

She is represented as 144,000 a number no man can count. God does not give exact number comes to time and people. Thousands died when David violated that principle.

She made up of old tesetemmt as well as new testament saints. Salvation never had to do with ones flesh as if God was a respecter of persons.. God has always been the Father of all nations. We walk by faith (the unseen eternal not by sight after the temporal things of this world.

Why avoid the prescritption that allows us to look tohrough the darks sdaying as parables?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No, the 144,000, is NOT a number that man cannot count. HE SAID IT VERY SPECIALLY, IT will BE 12,000 from EACH TRIBE OF ISRAEL, Specially SEALED IN THERE MORTAL BODY, to repopulate ISRAEL, After HIS WAR AGAINST THE NATIONS is complete.

Revelation 19:20-21 (HCSB)
20 But the beast was taken prisoner, and along with him the false prophet, who had performed the signs in his presence. He deceived those who accepted the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image with these signs. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
21 The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

NOW READ Zechariah 14:1-21, to get what Paul Harvey would say "Is the Rest of the Story".


Isaiah 54:5 (HCSB)
5 Indeed, your husband is your Maker— His name is Yahweh of Hosts— and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; He is called the God of all the earth.

 

[VCO]

Also being from Texas as I remember Zola Levitt was "anti- progressive Dispensation"(not a supporter) and made frequent attacks against it. (see under theology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zola_Levitt Levitt was an "classical Disp."

That is just your Bias Opinion.

I think HE WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST TEACHERS IN THE LAND.

 

[dcontroversal]

Wow
Once again leave off the pretrib verses.
Works only in your circles.
How many years have you ignored the obvious?

Where does the rapture in rev 14 fit your deal?

Rev 14 rapture DURING the gt.

I left off nothing and do not engage me if you cannot keep your tongue from idiotic accusations.......

 

[dcontroversal]

Show me one wedding in history where ALL the guests are IMMERSED into the ONE SPIRITUAL BODY, where the BRIDEGROOM IS THE HEAD OF THAT SAME BODY. ONLY JESUS CHRIST CAN BE THAT IMPROBABLE SCENARIO,

Luke 1:37 (NIV)
37 For nothing is impossible with God."

Are you saying you put mortal human limits on GOD?

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Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
5 For as a young man marries a young woman,
so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride,
so your God will rejoice over you.

Nice pretty pictures.....painted with bias toward a peddled tradition.....GUESTS are NOT and CANNOT be THE BRIDE..........wake up man.....serious!