Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?
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GEN 12:
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
Gen 15:
18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
GEN 17
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
GEN 26:
2 Then the Lord appeared to him and said: “Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land of which I shall tell you. 3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands
GEN 28
13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants.
GEN 35:
9 Then God appeared to Jacob again, when he came from Padan Aram, and blessed him. 10 And God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name.” So He called his name Israel. 11 Also God said to him: “I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. 12 The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land.”
tell me, were these particular promises made to spiritual children, or physical children?
If spiritual. Why did God write lev 26? And why are we not being blessed by these promises today? (lev 26 tells us why physical children are not being blessed by them today, because of their sins)
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
Gen 15:
18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
GEN 17
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
GEN 26:
2 Then the Lord appeared to him and said: “Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land of which I shall tell you. 3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands
GEN 28
13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants.
GEN 35:
9 Then God appeared to Jacob again, when he came from Padan Aram, and blessed him. 10 And God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name.” So He called his name Israel. 11 Also God said to him: “I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. 12 The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land.”
tell me, were these particular promises made to spiritual children, or physical children?
If spiritual. Why did God write lev 26? And why are we not being blessed by these promises today? (lev 26 tells us why physical children are not being blessed by them today, because of their sins)
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 26:3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 35:12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
Singular seed - Christ.
Here is what Paul said about that SINGULAR seed.
Gal_3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Every one of the verses you quoted refer to a singular seed Christ and Paul made it clear in Galatians that "thy seed" means ONE SEED.
You have a valid point on Leviticus 26, but you may have missed a couple of things.
Lev 26:3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
1) They had to obey the commandment FLAWLESSLY in order to live in that land.
2) That was the Old Covenant, Israel is not under that covenant any more.
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 26:3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
Singular seed - Christ.
Gen 35:12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
Singular seed - Christ.
Here is what Paul said about that SINGULAR seed.
Gal_3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Every one of the verses you quoted refer to a singular seed Christ and Paul made it clear in Galatians that "thy seed" means ONE SEED.
You have a valid point on Leviticus 26, but you may have missed a couple of things.
Lev 26:3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
1) They had to obey the commandment FLAWLESSLY in order to live in that land.
2) That was the Old Covenant, Israel is not under that covenant any more.
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lev 26:
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.
Sorry man Your arguent was first that it was only given to spiritual, now your backtracking.
but you see here is the truth
1. No the seed here is not christ, it was to the physical descendents, through abraham and Issac, Hod even told them personally, he gave it TO THEM, and ALL of their offspring
2. This is still in effect today, CONSIDERING all the OT prophesies that shows they will repent and that God WILL remember (he even keeps a remnant so they will never die as a nation) and paul's own prophesy per say in rom 11 that these also will happen. Then you should conclude this also
I've shown why I believe what I believe, we will agree to disagree. 
"^ KJV1611, when viewing Genesis (and the Gal3 reference to which it refers) you need to distinguish WHICH of those Genesis references is speaking of "seed [SINGULAR]" and which Genesis reference is speaking of "seed [PLURAL]"... you are just blanketly applying it willy-nilly… Don't do that.
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Did you happen to see my Post #284?, where I'd said:
"^ KJV1611, when viewing Genesis (and the Gal3 reference to which it refers) you need to distinguish WHICH of those Genesis references is speaking of "seed [SINGULAR]" and which Genesis reference is speaking of "seed [PLURAL]"... you are just blanketly applying it willy-nilly… Don't do that. "
"^ KJV1611, when viewing Genesis (and the Gal3 reference to which it refers) you need to distinguish WHICH of those Genesis references is speaking of "seed [SINGULAR]" and which Genesis reference is speaking of "seed [PLURAL]"... you are just blanketly applying it willy-nilly… Don't do that.
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I've shown why I believe what I believe, we will agree to disagree.
But be careful, If what you say is true, and god relented on his promise to them, nothing stands in the way of keeping his promise to you.
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You have to examine each place where the word "seed" is used in Genesis; The context [surrounding words and so forth] very often makes it evident which one (whether "seed [PLURAL]" or "seed [SINGULAR]").
But I'm not going to do your homework FOR you. I'm just pointing out the need for you to do so, as you aren't doing this, like I said.
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You have to examine each place where the word "seed" is used in Genesis; The context [surrounding words and so forth] very often makes it evident which one (whether "seed [PLURAL]" or "seed [SINGULAR]").
But I'm not going to do your homework FOR you. I'm just pointing out the need for you to do so, as you aren't doing this, like I said.
But I'm not going to do your homework FOR you.
I'm just pointing out the need for you to do so, as you aren't doing this, like I said.
The word "seed" (in OT [Hebrew]) is used for both [/each] the PLURAL and the SINGULAR. It's up to the reader to ascertain WHICH ONE is being referred to, according to context (surrounding words and clues, etc), and other things in the text...
The only time "seeds" is written with the "s" on the end, in the OT (esp in the kjv), is in Deut22:9 "divers seeds" which is actually one word in the Hebrew (and a distinct word from the other word used for "seed [PLURAL or SINGULAR]") in that, it is the word "H3610 - kilayim [divers seeds]" whereas the other word (for "seed") is "H2233 zera"... a completely distinct word (and what you want to look at in Genesis, to see WHERE it is used in either "SINGULAR" OR "PLURAL" according to its context, rather than blanketly applying the "singular" to EVERY instance!)
Kinda like our English word "sheep" can either mean a SINGULAR sheep or a group of PLURAL sheep... ya gotta know which one, or you miss the message!
The only time "seeds" is written with the "s" on the end, in the OT (esp in the kjv), is in Deut22:9 "divers seeds" which is actually one word in the Hebrew (and a distinct word from the other word used for "seed [PLURAL or SINGULAR]") in that, it is the word "H3610 - kilayim [divers seeds]" whereas the other word (for "seed") is "H2233 zera"... a completely distinct word (and what you want to look at in Genesis, to see WHERE it is used in either "SINGULAR" OR "PLURAL" according to its context, rather than blanketly applying the "singular" to EVERY instance!)
Kinda like our English word "sheep" can either mean a SINGULAR sheep or a group of PLURAL sheep... ya gotta know which one, or you miss the message!
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You have to examine each place where the word "seed" is used in Genesis; The context [surrounding words and so forth] very often makes it evident which one (whether "seed [PLURAL]" or "seed [SINGULAR]").
But I'm not going to do your homework FOR you. I'm just pointing out the need for you to do so, as you aren't doing this, like I said.
But I'm not going to do your homework FOR you.
I'm just pointing out the need for you to do so, as you aren't doing this, like I said.
Most people do not realise, seed (a word no one uses today) refers to ones dependents..
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Here is one instance where the "H2233" word is used for PLURAL seed (/offspring/descendants [plural]):
https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/13-16.htm - H2233 - Genesis 13:16
https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/13-16.htm - H2233 - Genesis 13:16
Here is an interesting, extended defining of the term seed, by Mr. Zodhiates:
zera`: Seed- A masculine noun meaning sowing, seed, descendants, offspring, children, and posterity. The literal use of the word indicates seed of the field (i.e., seed planted in the field). When Israel entered Egypt, Joseph instructed the Israelites to keep four-fifths of the crop as seed to plant in their fields and to serve as food for them (Ge 47:24); the season for planting seed was guaranteed by God to continue without fail (Ge 8:22); and successful, abundant harvests were promised right up until the sowing season if Israel followed the Lord's laws and commands (Lev 26:5). God had created the seed of the field by decreeing that plants and trees would be self-perpetuating, producing their own seed (Ge 1:11) and that the seed-producing plants would be edible (Ge 1:29). Manna, the heavenly food, resembled coriander seed (Ex 16:31). Any seed could be rendered unclean and not usable if a dead body fell on it after the seed had been moistened (Lev 11:38).
The noun is used to describe the seed (i.e., the offspring) of both people and animals. The seed of Judah and Israel would be united and planted peacefully in the land together with animals in a pleasant setting (Je 31:27). Seed can be translated as son (i.e., seed as when God gives Hannah a promise of a son [1Sa 1:11]). The seed of a woman mentioned in Ge 3:15 is her offspring.
The offspring of humans is described many times by this word. Hannah was given additional children to replace Samuel, whom she gave to the Lord's service (1Sa 2:20). The most important seed that the author of Genesis describes is the seed of Abraham, the promised seed, referring to Isaac, Jacob, and his twelve sons (Ge 12:7; 15:3). The author of Genesis uses the word twenty-one times in this setting (Ex 32:13; Dt 1:8). The seed of the royal line of David was crucial to Israel's existence, and the term is used nine times to refer to David's offspring or descendants (2Sa 7:12). In a figurative sense, seed refers to King Zedekiah and perhaps to Israelites of royal lineage, whom Nebuchadnezzar established in Jerusalem (Eze 17:5). Royal lines or seed were found outside Israel, such as in Edom, where Hadad belonged to the royal line (1Ki 11:14), and in Judah, where the wicked Athaliah attempted to destroy the royal seed (2Ki 11:1; 25:25; Je 41:1).
The seed or offspring of a particular nation can be characterized in moral and religious terms as well. Three verses stand out: The seed of Israel was called a holy seed (Ezr 9:2; Isa 6:13); and, in the case of Ezr 9:2, the seed corrupted itself by mixing with the peoples around them. The seed of Israel is a seed of God or a divine seed (Mal 2:15) through its union with God (cf. 2Pe 1:4). An offspring could be described as deceitful and wicked (Ps 37:28; Isa 57:4). It was important in Israel to prove that one's origin or seed stemmed from an Israelite ancestor, for some Israelites and Israelite priests who returned from exile could not show their origin (Ezr 2:59). The word also refers to the seed or posterity of the Messiah (Isa 53:10).
zera`: Seed- A masculine noun meaning sowing, seed, descendants, offspring, children, and posterity. The literal use of the word indicates seed of the field (i.e., seed planted in the field). When Israel entered Egypt, Joseph instructed the Israelites to keep four-fifths of the crop as seed to plant in their fields and to serve as food for them (Ge 47:24); the season for planting seed was guaranteed by God to continue without fail (Ge 8:22); and successful, abundant harvests were promised right up until the sowing season if Israel followed the Lord's laws and commands (Lev 26:5). God had created the seed of the field by decreeing that plants and trees would be self-perpetuating, producing their own seed (Ge 1:11) and that the seed-producing plants would be edible (Ge 1:29). Manna, the heavenly food, resembled coriander seed (Ex 16:31). Any seed could be rendered unclean and not usable if a dead body fell on it after the seed had been moistened (Lev 11:38).
The noun is used to describe the seed (i.e., the offspring) of both people and animals. The seed of Judah and Israel would be united and planted peacefully in the land together with animals in a pleasant setting (Je 31:27). Seed can be translated as son (i.e., seed as when God gives Hannah a promise of a son [1Sa 1:11]). The seed of a woman mentioned in Ge 3:15 is her offspring.
The offspring of humans is described many times by this word. Hannah was given additional children to replace Samuel, whom she gave to the Lord's service (1Sa 2:20). The most important seed that the author of Genesis describes is the seed of Abraham, the promised seed, referring to Isaac, Jacob, and his twelve sons (Ge 12:7; 15:3). The author of Genesis uses the word twenty-one times in this setting (Ex 32:13; Dt 1:8). The seed of the royal line of David was crucial to Israel's existence, and the term is used nine times to refer to David's offspring or descendants (2Sa 7:12). In a figurative sense, seed refers to King Zedekiah and perhaps to Israelites of royal lineage, whom Nebuchadnezzar established in Jerusalem (Eze 17:5). Royal lines or seed were found outside Israel, such as in Edom, where Hadad belonged to the royal line (1Ki 11:14), and in Judah, where the wicked Athaliah attempted to destroy the royal seed (2Ki 11:1; 25:25; Je 41:1).
The seed or offspring of a particular nation can be characterized in moral and religious terms as well. Three verses stand out: The seed of Israel was called a holy seed (Ezr 9:2; Isa 6:13); and, in the case of Ezr 9:2, the seed corrupted itself by mixing with the peoples around them. The seed of Israel is a seed of God or a divine seed (Mal 2:15) through its union with God (cf. 2Pe 1:4). An offspring could be described as deceitful and wicked (Ps 37:28; Isa 57:4). It was important in Israel to prove that one's origin or seed stemmed from an Israelite ancestor, for some Israelites and Israelite priests who returned from exile could not show their origin (Ezr 2:59). The word also refers to the seed or posterity of the Messiah (Isa 53:10).
proof that church is not israel, quick and easy for everyone:
this one verse is best i use this alot:
1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
i heard a pastor say it. has all three groups in world today. jews gentiles and church. the church has both saved jews and gentiles. like luke and st.paul
think about this. why would God promise israel to regather then but then He would gather different people? why would God say all these promises to israel and then switch targets?
this one verse is best i use this alot:
1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
i heard a pastor say it. has all three groups in world today. jews gentiles and church. the church has both saved jews and gentiles. like luke and st.paul
think about this. why would God promise israel to regather then but then He would gather different people? why would God say all these promises to israel and then switch targets?
Blindness IN PART (or partial hardening) TOOK place in Israel (old covenant Israel, not Modern non-covenant Israel) ...
It is my understanding that we have this uncanny ability to make the word of God to fit our western culture instead of adjusting ourselves to the culture of the Bible and how Paul applied then.
So, nowhere was Paul the apostle refers to a post 21st Century, modern and political nation, but the Israel of his day, which by the way, was judged by God for all her sins in AD 70.
Personally, I don't see how you can quote this verse without looking at chapter 9:6-8 first and reorganize your thinking as what Paul said Israel was.
By the way, I do not subject myself to Replacement Theology.