Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Marcelo, I am not perfect but I know the Savior is the way.
Sincerely I want to ask really deeply consider these verses and how do you understand them:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 3: 36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
“does not obey” is word #G544 - apeitheó: to disobey, Original Word: ἀπειθέω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: apeitheó, Phonetic Spelling: (ap-i-theh'-o), Short Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
Sincerely I want to ask really deeply consider these verses and how do you understand them:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 3: 36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
“does not obey” is word #G544 - apeitheó: to disobey, Original Word: ἀπειθέω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: apeitheó, Phonetic Spelling: (ap-i-theh'-o), Short Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
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this law-
nomos. greek word for Law.
meaning- injunction, Law of Moses (singular) , the Pentateuch ( the books which contain the Law), or it can mean the Old Testamnet in general.
you say you are still learning. learn what I just wrote is true, and change your wrong beliefs about the Law being divided.
nomos. greek word for Law.
meaning- injunction, Law of Moses (singular) , the Pentateuch ( the books which contain the Law), or it can mean the Old Testamnet in general.
you say you are still learning. learn what I just wrote is true, and change your wrong beliefs about the Law being divided.
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I often hear works-salvationists (including Roman Catholics, Mormons, SDA's etc..) quote John 3:36 in the NASB and "stress" the word "obey" to imply that we are saved "by" obedience/works. In regards to "does not obey the Son" in the New American Standard translation of the Bible, this does not mean that receiving eternal life is received based on the merits of our obedience/works which "follow" believing in the Son, but obey by choosing to believe in the Son. If John wanted to make obedience the central theme in salvation here, he would have said: "He who believes and obeys the Son has eternal life," but that is not what John said. To obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the CSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." To refuse to believe in the Son is to disobey, rebel, be disloyal and refuse conformity. Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." *In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the CSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." To refuse to believe in the Son is to disobey, rebel, be disloyal and refuse conformity. Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." *In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son.
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The law of Moses.
Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
According to Gods command to moses that all the people must confirm this command, Is this not perfection?
And if it is (which I believe it is)
then who has fulfilled this requirement of the law?
Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
According to Gods command to moses that all the people must confirm this command, Is this not perfection?
And if it is (which I believe it is)
then who has fulfilled this requirement of the law?
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An owner of a small company has 4 employees,
He gives each of them 10 rules in which they are required to adhere too (the law of the company)
Employee #1 decides 3 of these commands are offensive so she refuses to obey them
Employee #2 decides they will obey if they feel like it.
Employee #3 decides they hate laws, thus will never follow any of them. and do whatever they want.
Employee #4 loves the company, so it appears she is always following these commands, But when we focus in, We see she too has failed to obey some of the commands. although she will never admit it.
Which of these employees were obedient?
He gives each of them 10 rules in which they are required to adhere too (the law of the company)
Employee #1 decides 3 of these commands are offensive so she refuses to obey them
Employee #2 decides they will obey if they feel like it.
Employee #3 decides they hate laws, thus will never follow any of them. and do whatever they want.
Employee #4 loves the company, so it appears she is always following these commands, But when we focus in, We see she too has failed to obey some of the commands. although she will never admit it.
Which of these employees were obedient?
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Here is what the Lord Jesus said:
So obey everything they teach you, but don't do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else.
The Lord told the disciples to obey EVERYTHING THE SCRIBES AND THE PHARISEES TEACH, and the only restriction was: DON'T DO WHAT THEY DO.
So, in your church you listen to the Christian sermon and then at a given moment your pastor says: "Ok, folks, now you go to the synagogue and rabbi John Doe will teach you how to keep the law of Moses. Is this how it works?
So obey everything they teach you, but don't do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else.
The Lord told the disciples to obey EVERYTHING THE SCRIBES AND THE PHARISEES TEACH, and the only restriction was: DON'T DO WHAT THEY DO.
So, in your church you listen to the Christian sermon and then at a given moment your pastor says: "Ok, folks, now you go to the synagogue and rabbi John Doe will teach you how to keep the law of Moses. Is this how it works?
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Greetings Marcelo,
I don't think anyone is trying to infer what you are saying. You are being sarcastic aren't you?
What so many are missing is that when Man was given The Law the terms were that man would also receive them with the Holy Spirit. This was the case at Sinai, but Israel "stood afar off"
Exo_20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Exo_20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Because of this Israel received The "Letter" of The Law. As Scripture History records is was almost impossible for Israel to "Keep The Commandments" without the Holy Spirit.
Today, after receiving the redemption through the Cross and Baptism with water, man may receive the Holy Spirit through which he receives what God had always intended for His "elect"; Sanctification which yields a man desirous of "holiness" and "good works" through obedience to the Law.
Those who skip this part of the process have failed to take advantage of the Grace of God which brings a man to the fullness of Christ!
To hear so many who repeatedly desire to fight the work of the Holy Spirit to bring them into a "Love" relationship with the Laws of God is to observe an "sanding afar off" or unintended frustration of the plan of redemption.
I say "enter in" desire to be filled with the Holy Spirit which will bring you to desire all good things, including the Law.
SG
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Greetings Marcelo,
I don't think anyone is trying to infer what you are saying. You are being sarcastic aren't you?
What so many are missing is that when Man was given The Law the terms were that man would also receive them with the Holy Spirit. This was the case at Sinai, but Israel "stood afar off"
Exo_20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Exo_20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Because of this Israel received The "Letter" of The Law. As Scripture History records is was almost impossible for Israel to "Keep The Commandments" without the Holy Spirit.
Today, after receiving the redemption through the Cross and Baptism with water, man may receive the Holy Spirit through which he receives what God had always intended for His "elect"; Sanctification which yields a man desirous of "holiness" and "good works" through obedience to the Law.
Those who skip this part of the process have failed to take advantage of the Grace of God which brings a man to the fullness of Christ!
To hear so many who repeatedly desire to fight the work of the Holy Spirit to bring them into a "Love" relationship with the Laws of God is to observe an "sanding afar off" or unintended frustration of the plan of redemption.
I say "enter in" desire to be filled with the Holy Spirit which will bring you to desire all good things, including the Law.
SG
I don't think anyone is trying to infer what you are saying. You are being sarcastic aren't you?
What so many are missing is that when Man was given The Law the terms were that man would also receive them with the Holy Spirit. This was the case at Sinai, but Israel "stood afar off"
Exo_20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Exo_20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Because of this Israel received The "Letter" of The Law. As Scripture History records is was almost impossible for Israel to "Keep The Commandments" without the Holy Spirit.
Today, after receiving the redemption through the Cross and Baptism with water, man may receive the Holy Spirit through which he receives what God had always intended for His "elect"; Sanctification which yields a man desirous of "holiness" and "good works" through obedience to the Law.
Those who skip this part of the process have failed to take advantage of the Grace of God which brings a man to the fullness of Christ!
To hear so many who repeatedly desire to fight the work of the Holy Spirit to bring them into a "Love" relationship with the Laws of God is to observe an "sanding afar off" or unintended frustration of the plan of redemption.
I say "enter in" desire to be filled with the Holy Spirit which will bring you to desire all good things, including the Law.
SG
Who today follows the aw? I am being serious.
and by the way, John says he who says he is (present tense) without sin, is deceiving themselves.
So who according to GODS standard, keeps the law?
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The N. T. was not yet formed, but there was oral transmission.
Let's read Acts 15 again:
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
See? No greater burden than these necessary things -- nothing else.
Let's read Acts 15 again:
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
See? No greater burden than these necessary things -- nothing else.
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Greetings Marcelo,
I don't think anyone is trying to infer what you are saying. You are being sarcastic aren't you?
What so many are missing is that when Man was given The Law the terms were that man would also receive them with the Holy Spirit. This was the case at Sinai, but Israel "stood afar off"
Exo_20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Exo_20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Because of this Israel received The "Letter" of The Law. As Scripture History records is was almost impossible for Israel to "Keep The Commandments" without the Holy Spirit.
Today, after receiving the redemption through the Cross and Baptism with water, man may receive the Holy Spirit through which he receives what God had always intended for His "elect"; Sanctification which yields a man desirous of "holiness" and "good works" through obedience to the Law.
Those who skip this part of the process have failed to take advantage of the Grace of God which brings a man to the fullness of Christ!
To hear so many who repeatedly desire to fight the work of the Holy Spirit to bring them into a "Love" relationship with the Laws of God is to observe an "sanding afar off" or unintended frustration of the plan of redemption.
I say "enter in" desire to be filled with the Holy Spirit which will bring you to desire all good things, including the Law.
SG
I don't think anyone is trying to infer what you are saying. You are being sarcastic aren't you?
What so many are missing is that when Man was given The Law the terms were that man would also receive them with the Holy Spirit. This was the case at Sinai, but Israel "stood afar off"
Exo_20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Exo_20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Because of this Israel received The "Letter" of The Law. As Scripture History records is was almost impossible for Israel to "Keep The Commandments" without the Holy Spirit.
Today, after receiving the redemption through the Cross and Baptism with water, man may receive the Holy Spirit through which he receives what God had always intended for His "elect"; Sanctification which yields a man desirous of "holiness" and "good works" through obedience to the Law.
Those who skip this part of the process have failed to take advantage of the Grace of God which brings a man to the fullness of Christ!
To hear so many who repeatedly desire to fight the work of the Holy Spirit to bring them into a "Love" relationship with the Laws of God is to observe an "sanding afar off" or unintended frustration of the plan of redemption.
I say "enter in" desire to be filled with the Holy Spirit which will bring you to desire all good things, including the Law.
SG
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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