not of works, but created in Christ unto good works
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Correct but my point is, God doesn't take control of anyone but rather gives the person an understanding from which the person can make decisions.
Like in Jesus' case; The Father and the son are one but the son had to understand and submit to the Father's will. We can see this demonstrated especially before crucifixion when Jesus prays to the Father in anguish and full understanding of what was to happen to Him. He was asking the Father to take away the cup from Him but later came to terms that He must face it, not that He didn't know but He fully knew. The Father did not control of the son in this case but through understanding, the will of the Father was done.
Like in Jesus' case; The Father and the son are one but the son had to understand and submit to the Father's will. We can see this demonstrated especially before crucifixion when Jesus prays to the Father in anguish and full understanding of what was to happen to Him. He was asking the Father to take away the cup from Him but later came to terms that He must face it, not that He didn't know but He fully knew. The Father did not control of the son in this case but through understanding, the will of the Father was done.
1. We are being saved from sin and eternal death, which is referred to as many other descriptions like corruption or darkness but still means the same thing. We are not being saved from multiple things, so salvation in the scriptures is just one salvation.
2. Just like sin was brought to all, reconciliation and righteous was brought to all. Those that stand saved in the end, abide in Christ by obeying the command to love others. Those that hate are separated from Christ. This abiding in Christ our righteousness, is what we 'work out'.
2. Just like sin was brought to all, reconciliation and righteous was brought to all. Those that stand saved in the end, abide in Christ by obeying the command to love others. Those that hate are separated from Christ. This abiding in Christ our righteousness, is what we 'work out'.
I don't troll anyone. If anything, I try to expose such.
I have not receive any revelation on this subject so I am questioning some terms and expressions used in the Christian circle.
Love is a fruit of the Spirit because of the Spirit that is in us.
We love God because the Spirit of God in us, causes us to love God.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
We do the works of whomever or whatever our Father/father is.
If the God of heaven is our Father, we will do the works of our Heavenly Father, just like those whose father is the devil, will do the works of their father, the devil.
I would not say ANY work, as in all works, we do will glorify God, but the works we are LED to do, by His Spirit, those are good works.
If we are talking about works done in love for God and for His glory, even doing good for one's neighbor or fellow brother or sister in Christ, which are the two greatest old commandments, aren't we still talking about works of the law? Because all the works under the old testament or covenant were for Israel to do good.
In fact all the law of the old testament is wrapped up in those two commandments of love.
Love God and neighbor. Which means doing good, kind, compassionate, and loving things that would please both Him and your neighbor.
All those things are part of the law.
There has to be something that separates a Christian from a Jew, or even a loving and compassionate nonbeliever, when all are obeying the old testament commandment.
As for the Jew, they do the same as a Christian, when it come to both pleasing and glorifying God.
So how are the two different, when the Jews are doing so-called, good works under the old covenant and the Christians are doing the same works under the new?
This is not, by the way, called trolling. I am raising legitimate arguments. At the very least, it should cause one to pause and think.
I have not receive any revelation on this subject so I am questioning some terms and expressions used in the Christian circle.
Love is a fruit of the Spirit because of the Spirit that is in us.
We love God because the Spirit of God in us, causes us to love God.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
We do the works of whomever or whatever our Father/father is.
If the God of heaven is our Father, we will do the works of our Heavenly Father, just like those whose father is the devil, will do the works of their father, the devil.
I would not say ANY work, as in all works, we do will glorify God, but the works we are LED to do, by His Spirit, those are good works.
If we are talking about works done in love for God and for His glory, even doing good for one's neighbor or fellow brother or sister in Christ, which are the two greatest old commandments, aren't we still talking about works of the law? Because all the works under the old testament or covenant were for Israel to do good.
In fact all the law of the old testament is wrapped up in those two commandments of love.
Love God and neighbor. Which means doing good, kind, compassionate, and loving things that would please both Him and your neighbor.
All those things are part of the law.
There has to be something that separates a Christian from a Jew, or even a loving and compassionate nonbeliever, when all are obeying the old testament commandment.
As for the Jew, they do the same as a Christian, when it come to both pleasing and glorifying God.
So how are the two different, when the Jews are doing so-called, good works under the old covenant and the Christians are doing the same works under the new?
This is not, by the way, called trolling. I am raising legitimate arguments. At the very least, it should cause one to pause and think.
GOD Loves righteousness and everything GOD IS Is righteous and HE gave man a choice,a choice to be obedient to HIS VOICE or listen to his own self and be obedient to HIS own fleshly desire.Man(Adam)chose his self desire and was not obedient to GODs VOICE but GOD did not walk away from man but GOD being righteous did things righteously and added the law so that man would know what HIS perfect standard of righteousness was but man with the seed of Adam could not meet GODs perfect standard of righteousness because of the weakness of the flesh although he delighted In the law of GOD he would continue sinning.
So then GOD sent HIS WORD manifested In Flesh fully man and fully GOD full of Mercy and TRUTH to righteously fulfill the law as a man and once again make It possible for man to have a relationship with a righteous loving GOD by Grace through faith because no longer would the weakness of the flesh stop us but now the Issue Is faith In the WORD of GOD for whosoever believes that they might have Eternal Life.
So then GOD sent HIS WORD manifested In Flesh fully man and fully GOD full of Mercy and TRUTH to righteously fulfill the law as a man and once again make It possible for man to have a relationship with a righteous loving GOD by Grace through faith because no longer would the weakness of the flesh stop us but now the Issue Is faith In the WORD of GOD for whosoever believes that they might have Eternal Life.
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If he repent, he go to heaven If not then I believe These verse not Lie
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Seem to me you not believe this verse don't you?
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Seem to me you not believe this verse don't you?
Abiding in Christ is when we are following his commandments. None of us can continually abide in him without yielding our bodies to the lust of the things of the world, which makes it necessary to repent. We, at the times when we are walking in the flesh (sinning) do not lose our eternal salvation, but we do lose our fellowship with God until we repent. When we repent and God forgives us, we have been saved (delivered) from the results of our sin.
The "KINGDOM OF GOD" is not referring to eternal heaven, but to the church. The church that Jesus set up is called by many different names in the scriptures. When Christ died on the cross for all that his Father gave him he washed them as white as snow. No sin that they do will hinder them from having eternal life.
