Not By Works

[Macabeus]

no, I did not. in took exception to the fact that you say that the EVIDENCE , OUTWARD, BASED ON BEHAVIOR, IS INSTANT. (partial quote)

Where? What post?

Show me where I said that, and I will admit I mispoke.

IF ANYONE can show where I posted that evidence, outward behaviour is instant, I will apologize to everyone.

 

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[Macabeus]

no, I did not. in took exception to the fact that you say that the EVIDENCE , OUTWARD, BASED ON BEHAVIOR, IS INSTANT.

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I never said this. I always said REGENERATION is instant and NEW NATURE is instant.

Here is a link to every time I used the word instant. Find one post where I said what you quoted me as saying above.

https://christianchat.com/search/215979/?q=instant&c[users]=Macabeus&o=date

 

[Macabeus]

@gb9, this is what I have ALWAYS taught. You stand corrected.

For clarification, do you agree with the below statement.

God predestined our santification/conformity to the image of Christ. Romans 8:29. IT is not instant and it is not entire until our Great God and Saviour (Titus 2:13-) appears (1 John 3:1-3), but the Bible teaches that we should be growing more and more in His Image every day. (1 John 3:4). Perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord. ( 1 Corinthians 7:1)

 

[Macabeus]

@gb9, someone forgot to tell you the difference between regeneration and sanctification. Since you conflate the two, here is my position on sanctification. Notice the date.

Just as in sanctification. We are instantly sanctified in position, but that reality takes time to work out in our lives. IN the same way, we are instantly emancipated from sin, but we have to learn how to walk in that freedom, through things like "reckoning ourselves dead to sin and alive to Christ.

But we are not slaves to sin if we are regenerate. For we have been bought from the slave block by Jesus and are now slaves to HIM.

 

[Macabeus]

@gb9, another quote to show that I do not believe what you said I believe.

BTW, this answers the nanosecond question. God can save us in a nanosecond because we don't have to have full understanding. Just enough to repent towards God and have faith in Jesus. That can happen in an instant. That is new birth. All the other stuff follows as we grow from infancy, to children, to young men, to maturity in faith

 

[KJV1611]

And you hath He quickened, that were dead in trespasses and sins, wherein, in times past ye walked, according to the course of this world, and after the prince that ruleth in the air, even the spirit, that now worketh in the children of disobedience, among whom we also had our conversation in time past in the lusts of our flesh, in fulfilling the will of the flesh, and of the mind, and were by nature the children of wrath, as well as others.​

But God which is rich in mercy, through His great love wherewith He loved us, even when we were dead by sins, hath quickened us together in Christ, by Whose grace ye are saved, and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that He might show in the ages to come the exceeding riches of His grace through His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.​

(Ephesians 2:1-7)​

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it seems to me, if this is about regeneration, it's calling it salvation.

The first part of Ephesians 2:1-7 isn't about regeneration or salvation, it's about the resurrection of something that was CRUCIFIED and RAISED from the dead.... Just like Christ. God has quickened us TOGETHER WITH Christ.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

What part of us was CRUCIFIED with Christ?

Gal_2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gal_5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Do I need to say more?

 

[KJV1611]

The fifth verse says “saved us”. So this passage is about salvation, bro. It says He saved us BY the easing of regeneration etc that means that these were means of God saving us

So when GB9 says that we are not instantly regenerated upon faith, he is in effect saying that we are not saved instantly upon faith. Because regeneration is on of the means by which God saves Titus 3:5

And then @dcontroversal, @eternally-gratefull and @Lightskin agree with him that what I said about regeneration is a works based salvation😮

No offense Mac but you are so far out in left field that I have no choice but to not pay attention to anything that you write.

 

[dcontroversal]

they like a lot of water

Every day my numbers friend...every day unless it rained exceptionally well

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did? 🤷‍♂️

Yes you did, as some of us did, and hopefully learned something about Gods unfailing grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why would I ask you that? Regeneration has nothing to do with salvation.

If your not regenerated (born again) your still dead in your sins and not saved

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mat 19:28 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The regeneration happens when the son of man sits on the throne of his glory.

Thats regeneration of our bodies not our souls.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i agree.

i think it's the only way anyone comes to Him at all - drawn; quickened.

I do not agree

Quickened means given life, or having life restored, it is because we have forgiveness of sin we are made alive

 

[Macabeus]

No offense Mac but you are so far out in left field that I have no choice but to not pay attention to anything that you write.

I can’t help it you guys think you have to wait x ammount of time to be saved.

Like @eternally-gratefull said, if you not regenerated, you not saved, Bo

@UnderGrace

@gb9.

Why did you like a post that denies regeneration. Look below and see what your buddy says about it.

And GB9 you did say instant regeneration is a big fat lie, then changed your stance

If your not regenerated (born again) your still dead in your sins and not saved

 

[Macabeus]

If your not regenerated (born again) your still dead in your sins and not saved

Calling @gb9. Did you read this, Maestro?

 

[Macabeus]

If your not regenerated (born again) your still dead in your sins and not saved

Yet GB9 says instant regeneration is a big fat lie! We are regenerated as soon as we believe

 

[Macabeus]

If your not regenerated (born again) your still dead in your sins and not saved

Read the post below. 😂

 

[Macabeus]

but you push INSTANT regeneration, that is a big fat lie.


it looks different for everyone. some folks are instantly regenerated , some it takes times for the Fruits of the Sprit to began to manifest.

all are saved the instant they believe, and stay so as long as they believe.

regeneration is a separate conversation.

Partial quote.

 

[KJV1611]

If your not regenerated (born again) your still dead in your sins and not saved

I'm sure that's true according to your version of regeneration, but that's not the regeneration of the bible.

 

[Macabeus]

regeneration is not what your phony lordship junk teaches. saved by grace, proved by works.

trash.

yes, I personally believe in regeneration, but you push INSTANT regeneration, that is a big fat lie.

He doesn’t read posts that he likes. He just puts his endorsement on it without reading it😂


it looks different for everyone. some folks are instantly regenerated , some it takes times for the Fruits of the Sprit to began to manifest.

all are saved the instant they believe, and stay so as long as they believe.

regeneration is a separate conversation. (Partial quote).

@eternally-gratefull

DControversal endorsed the post that said THIS. Check it my out, he liked it. A post that says you can be saved and not regenerated. ( if instant sanctification is not true )