Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

He quoted you as saying the 144,000 died in Christ’s place. I do not think that is God sacrificing babies, but I can understand the misunderstanding considering the strange way you put it. @died in Christ’s place”?

Very strange way of putting it

How is that strange...Herod was trying to Kill Jesus which was in Egypt at the time....they DIED in his stead and as the first martyers in the place of Jesus.....it is not that difficult to grasp.....and I have NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED that GOD SACRIFICED THEM SO JESUS COULD COME....

He needs to learn how to read or get some honesty with what I said.......

 

[Macabeus]

You said "they are the train of the Lord and represent the wave offering given by JESUS along with himself ".

What do you call a WAVE OFFERING of dead babies
Who were those babies OFFERED TO?

 

[UnderGrace]

Snitching on a Christian forum though? what did I say about that last time around?
This would be a better place without it. Too lazy to look up my post, but it was when oncefallen stepped in here due to the many REPORTS. Did you like that comment?

Why'd you do it? Now you have the[SNITCH] tag on you forever and if KJV gets banned how can you reconcile, when you both agree on salvation AND its just a debate about a HADES or HELL word. Only reason for the whole deal to begin with was MOST of us were going by the GREEK and us knowing he is KJVOnly we should of just proven our point from the KJV!

At the end of the day most folks in the streets dotn got a clue about hades, unless its that place in hercules! But they do know hell, which is why MOST christians use hell for BOTH Hades, sheol AND Gehenna, just because thats what folks know. "hell or heaven". The usual package!

I think you have missed the problem here... no one likes when they words are misunderstood and they are accused of saying something they did not.

You need to go back and read the thread a few pages.

 

[KJV1611]

But I asked you a question first?

Ok, I'll repeat it again lol.

DCON said "they are the train of the Lord and represent the wave offering given by JESUS along with himself ".

I can only interpret that one way, the dead babies were THE TRAIN of the Lord and represent the wave offering GIVEN BY JESUS along with JESUS himself.

He is saying that JESUS gave the wave offering to God.... the dead babies REPRESENT the wave offering.

What do you think he meant?

 

[Macabeus]

How is that strange...Herod was trying to Kill Jesus which was in Egypt at the time....they DIED in his stead and as the first martyers in the place of Jesus.....it is not that difficult to grasp.....and I have NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED that GOD SACRIFICED THEM SO JESUS COULD COME....

He needs to learn how to read or get some honesty with what I said.......

No I didn’t say God sacrificed them. I said you used confusing language by saying they died in Christ’s place. I know what you meant, but I can understand KJVs misunderstanding.

I don’t think he is lying. I think he honestly misunderstood you

 

[dcontroversal]

Snitching on a Christian forum though? what did I say about that last time around?
This would be a better place without it. Too lazy to look up my post, but it was when oncefallen stepped in here due to the many REPORTS. Did you like that comment?

Why'd you do it? Now you have the[SNITCH] tag on you forever and if KJV gets banned how can you reconcile, when you both agree on salvation AND its just a debate about a HADES or HELL word. Only reason for the whole deal to begin with was MOST of us were going by the GREEK and us knowing he is KJVOnly we should of just proven our point from the KJV!

At the end of the day most folks in the streets dotn got a clue about hades, unless its that place in hercules! But they do know hell, which is why MOST christians use hell for BOTH Hades, sheol AND Gehenna, just because thats what folks know. "hell or heaven". The usual package!

dude....I got rebuked for calling a spade a spade...and if one is going ro lie about me and what I say on a Christian web site and then you embrace him over the truth....go join him hand in hand amd be guilty by association....I am sick of dishonest people running rough shod over the truth....do not engage me if you are going to stand with evil and or sin!

 

[UnderGrace]

How is that strange...Herod was trying to Kill Jesus which was in Egypt at the time....they DIED in his stead and as the first martyers in the place of Jesus.....it is not that difficult to grasp.....and I have NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED that GOD SACRIFICED THEM SO JESUS COULD COME....

He needs to learn how to read or get some honesty with what I said.......

I can agree they were martyrs, I really do not think that is arguable.

 

[Macabeus]

I think you have missed the problem here... no one likes when they words are misunderstood and they are accused of saying something they did not.

You need to go back and read the thread a few pages.

Yes, but I’m the son of satan when I react about lightskin and GB9 accusing me of saying things I didn’t say

Double standards much

 

[UnderGrace]

No I didn’t say God sacrificed them. I said you used confusing language by saying they died in Christ’s place. I know what you meant, but I can understand KJVs misunderstanding.

I don’t think he is lying. I think he honestly misunderstood you

Agree the word was not "sacrificed"

I thought maybe @KJV1611 would acknowledge the change in wording he used?

 

[KJV1611]

I just thing you misunderstood that OP.

I will give some advise .............when I do not understand I ask the person to rephrase, elaborate, clarify...all I see you do is changing the wording to make it sound like he wrote something @dcontroversal did not.

I'm done with this.

 

[Macabeus]

I can agree they were martyrs, I really do not think that is arguable.

But saying they are wave offerings who died instead of Jesus? I know what he meant, but can also understand how that could be misunderstood at the same time

 

[Macabeus]

Agree the word was not "sacrificed"

I thought maybe @KJV1611 would acknowledge the change in wording he used?

No the word was not sacrifice. It was wave offering. Are you familiar with wave offerings?

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes, but I’m the son of satan when I react about lightskin and GB9 accusing me of saying things I didn’t say

Double standards much

You need to be clearer then ... what can I say.

 

[KJV1611]

And nobody can talk about anything but me misquoting DCON, when what he said was utterly ridiculous.

 

[Macabeus]

You need to be clearer then ... what can I say.

And DC should have also been clearer What can I say?

And on top of that,How much clearer can I get when I said Jesus will lose
none of His sheep? That’s as crystal clear and clear cut as anything. I said that in essence four or five times and was accused of not believing that none of Christ’s sheep will be lost

And how about me saying that regeneration is instant upon believing and GB says I said behavior was instant

So what’s good for Mac is good for DC

 

[Macabeus]

And nobody can talk about anything but me misquoting DCON, when what he said was utterly ridiculous.

Yeah. A wave offering of slaughtered babies...?

 

[dcontroversal]

144,000 called ->>>Firstfuits same as JESUS -->First Fruits is a religious offering of the first agricultural produce of the harvest. ... In Christian faiths, the tithe is similarly given as a donation or offering serving as a primary source of income to maintain the religious leaders and facilities........And the WAVE OFFERING CONSISTED OF WHAT EXACTLY......!!!!!

 

[Macabeus]

144,000 called ->>>Firstfuits same as JESUS -->First Fruits is a religious offering of the first agricultural produce of the harvest. ... In Christian faiths, the tithe is similarly given as a donation or offering serving as a primary source of income to maintain the religious leaders and facilities........And the WAVE OFFERING CONSISTED OF WHAT EXACTLY......!!!!!

Grain that was harvested.

In what way were they the first product of the harvest?

And your definition of martyr is lacking

 

[Macabeus]

144,000 called ->>>Firstfuits same as JESUS -->First Fruits is a religious offering of the first agricultural produce of the harvest. ... In Christian faiths, the tithe is similarly given as a donation or offering serving as a primary source of income to maintain the religious leaders and facilities........And the WAVE OFFERING CONSISTED OF WHAT EXACTLY......!!!!!

In what way can it be said that the infants were witnesses (martyrs)?

 

[KJV1611]

144,000 called ->>>Firstfuits same as JESUS -->First Fruits is a religious offering of the first agricultural produce of the harvest. ... In Christian faiths, the tithe is similarly given as a donation or offering serving as a primary source of income to maintain the religious leaders and facilities........And the WAVE OFFERING CONSISTED OF WHAT EXACTLY......!!!!!

The 144000 were sealed so that they WOULD NOT be killed. God doesn’t require his people to be offered up as a human sacrifice.

This is utterly ridiculous, more ridiculous than anything I’ve ever heard on this forum and I still haven’t used the word PAL, DRIVEL and those other words that you use to bash people over the head with. Lol

And you’re trying to get me banned lol.