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Noose

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God has.....saved from before the foundation of the earth was laid down.....yes we know you don't grasp this truth.....amongst many I might add!
Correct and that's true for the Lord, for he is the beginning and the end.
For us, we work out our salvation

Rom 2:7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Mark the words, "He will give" not "He has given"
 

Lightskin

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You can not wish your neighbor love but by expressing.
Most assuredly, after stealing my neighbor’s possessions, sleeping with his wife and pouring sugar in his gas tank, I definitely express love for my neighbor.

Yeah, you sound THAT ignorant.
 
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Correct and that's true for the Lord, for he is the beginning and the end.
For us, we work out our salvation

Rom 2:7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Mark the words, "He will give" not "He has given"
Mark my words genius....

He that believes on the Son IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE.....NOT WILL BE GIVEN....see that is your problem...too dense to grasp the truth!!
 

mailmandan

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He became a source of salvation for those who obey Him, not a source of obedience for those He has saved.
Who obeys Him in order to become saved and after salvation? Believers or unbelievers?
IN EITHER SENSE, ONLY BELIEVERS OBEY HIM. Get the picture?
 
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Who obeys Him in order to become saved and after salvation? Believers or unbelievers?
IN EITHER SENSE, ONLY BELIEVERS OBEY HIM. Get the picture?
He will only grasp it if you use crayons, coloring books and lock blocks.....and then it is still a maybe.....!
 

Noose

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Most assuredly, after stealing my neighbor’s possessions, sleeping with his wife and pouring sugar in his gas tank, I definitely express love for my neighbor.

Yeah, you sound THAT ignorant.
God says if a wicked man turns from his wicked ways, He will not remember his evil ways.


Most assuredly, after stealing my neighbor’s possessions, sleeping with his wife and pouring sugar in his gas tank, and i definitely start to trust Christ/ believing Christ for my salvation. Does this sound ok to you? how about true repentance by repaying and reconciling with you neighbor first.
 

Hevosmies

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Correct and that's true for the Lord, for he is the beginning and the end.
For us, we work out our salvation

Rom 2:7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Mark the words, "He will give" not "He has given"
ROOKIE MISTAKE! KEEP READING. Paul is making a case against all humanity in Romans chapters 1 and 2, he then concludes his argument in Romans 3:

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

What is the ULTIMATE conclusion, THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE:

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
 
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God says if a wicked man turns from his wicked ways, He will not remember his evil ways.


Most assuredly, after stealing my neighbor’s possessions, sleeping with his wife and pouring sugar in his gas tank, and i definitely start to trust Christ/ believing Christ for my salvation. Does this sound ok to you? how about true repentance by repaying and reconciling with you neighbor first.
O.T. conflation station......no concept of grace, blood covering, mercy, out bounding grace.....must suck to be bound under some self maintained false man made dogma
 

Ruby123

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God says if a wicked man turns from his wicked ways, He will not remember his evil ways.


Most assuredly, after stealing my neighbor’s possessions, sleeping with his wife and pouring sugar in his gas tank, and i definitely start to trust Christ/ believing Christ for my salvation. Does this sound ok to you? how about true repentance by repaying and reconciling with you neighbor first.
Noose if man had to repay they would be spending 24hrs a day doing so.
 

Noose

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Who obeys Him in order to become saved and after salvation? Believers or unbelievers?
IN EITHER SENSE, ONLY BELIEVERS OBEY HIM. Get the picture?
Incorrect. Horse before the cart.

The one who obeys, has believed, not the other way round.

Rom 2:13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous


James 1:22Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves.
 

Noose

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Mark my words genius....

He that believes on the Son IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE.....NOT WILL BE GIVEN....see that is your problem...too dense to grasp the truth!!
Does that cancel this:

Rom 2:7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

And, believing is not about thoughts anyway but action. The one who loves/obeys has believed and not the other way round.