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Locoponydirtman said:
How do you know that you are among that few?
Even devils believe.
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First of all, it will not be just a few. There will be more than can be numbered, as the sand in the seashore and the stars in heaven. If you believe that there is a Spiritual God and you worship him it is evidence that you are eternally saved. Many of God's children have the misconception that there will only be a few by the scripture in Matthew about the strait gate and narrow way that leads to life. The life in this verse does not have reference to eternal life, but that good and abundant life we can live here on earth if we follow God's commandments. Those that enter both gates are God's elect. Satan believes there is a God, but he does not worship him.
 
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LeeLoving said:
There is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood, correct? Jesus shed His blood, correct? If so, are we forgiven when we believe in His death and resurrection?
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Repentance PRECEDES remission (forgiveness) of sins. See Luke 24:47. And faith is essential (Acts 20:20,21).
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
First of all, it will not be just a few. There will be more than can be numbered, as the sand in the seashore and the stars in heaven. If you believe that there is a Spiritual God and you worship him it is evidence that you are eternally saved. Many of God's children have the misconception that there will only be a few by the scripture in Matthew about the strait gate and narrow way that leads to life. The life in this verse does not have reference to eternal life, but that good and abundant life we can live here on earth if we follow God's commandments. Those that enter both gates are God's elect. Satan believes there is a God, but he does not worship him.
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According to scripture the wide gate leads to destruction. That don't sound like a less abundance.
What abundance is there for the faithful in places where they have to hide and have very little, like portions of the Bible even, and are pursecuted, and killed as lambs to the slaughter.
And I am sure Satan is just fine with leading folks to false worship.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
But the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14 cannot believe his teachings because he cannot discern the things of the Spirit until he has been born of the Spirit.(Eph 2:5).
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This does not apply to the Gospel. Since the Gospel is for sinners who will be convicted and convinced by the Holy Spirit while the Gospel is preached.

1. One cannot be born of the Spirit without FIRST receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

2. And one cannot receive the gift of the Holy Spirit without FIRST repenting and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

3. And one cannot believe unless the Gospel is FIRST preached (or read)

As you can see, you have been promoting a false teaching all along. You could call it heretical, since it promotes the idea that sinners receive the Spirit by magic.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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Locoponydirtman said:
According to scripture the wide gate leads to destruction. That don't sound like a less abundance.
What abundance is there for the faithful in places where they have to hide and have very little, like portions of the Bible even, and are pursecuted, and killed as lambs to the slaughter.
And I am sure Satan is just fine with leading folks to false worship.
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There is destruction when a false doctrine is preached. Those that go in the wide gate are God fearing children of God who are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their good works
 
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This does not apply to the Gospel. Since the Gospel is for sinners who will be convicted and convinced by the Holy Spirit while the Gospel is preached.

1. One cannot be born of the Spirit without FIRST receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

2. And one cannot receive the gift of the Holy Spirit without FIRST repenting and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

3. And one cannot believe unless the Gospel is FIRST preached (or read)

As you can see, you have been promoting a false teaching all along. You could call it heretical, since it promotes the idea that sinners receive the Spirit by magic.
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Are you assuming that the gospel is not about the things of the Spirit? Yes, the gospel is to be preached to sinners. The sinners that have already received the Holy Spirit and are still sinners. They are teachable because they can discern the things of the Spirit, unlike the natural man that cannot discern the things of the Spirit and thinks that he has no sin. That is why Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach to the lost SHEEP (those born of the Spirit) of the house of Israel (God's elect).
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Amen! so you do understand.
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I do too, and know people get REAL uncomfortable when hearing salvation is not in our control, but have no problem quoting and agreeing with-

"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life"

Well if faith is not of ourselves, who is is of? Right? The way God saved me left me with NO misunderstanding that He did it. When I was granted repentance I had no clue what was happening, and not only was I not seeking Him at this time, if you would have asked me the minute I hit my knees if I believed in God, I would have said "no". I hit the ground broken, crying, and finished with no hope at all and He picked me up. I'm sorry but I cannot testify that I even made a choice to be honest, I just knew "I" couldn't do it anymore. Anyway it's ALL Him and NONE us, but that said we do live in time and space and I know I have NO clue how God's sovereignty works within our choices, and do believe we make choices, but it says He knew His plans for us from the beginning, I just don't see why this is such a heated topic to be honest. Bible is pretty clear who's running ALL this.
 
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I do too, and know people get REAL uncomfortable when hearing salvation is not in our control, but have no problem quoting and agreeing with-

"For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life"

Well if faith is not of ourselves, who is is of? Right? The way God saved me left me with NO misunderstanding that He did it. When I was granted repentance I had no clue what was happening, and not only was I not seeking Him at this time, if you would have asked me the minute I hit my knees if I believed in God, I would have said "no". I hit the ground broken, crying, and finished with no hope at all and He picked me up. I'm sorry but I cannot testify that I even made a choice to be honest, I just knew "I" couldn't do it anymore. Anyway it's ALL Him and NONE us, but that said we do live in time and space and I know I have NO clue how God's sovereignty works within our choices, and do believe we make choices, but it says He knew His plans for us from the beginning, I just don't see why this is such a heated topic to be honest. Bible is pretty clear who's running ALL this.
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Confusion comes by the misinterpretation of the scriptures. Some believe man has to do something to be saved and some believe that God does it all and man doesn't have to do anything to be saved. I think the key that causes all of the confusion between the two is the simple fact that the scriptures pertaining to salvation are being misunderstood. Salvation according to the Greek interpretation means "a deliverance". There is an eternal deliverance and there is a timely deliverance. When you "just couldn't do it anymore" you were delivered right then and there in time. You will still be delivered (eternally) at the last day. When people apply all of the salvation scriptures to be referring to an eternal deliverance the scriptures will never harmonize, thus; the confusion.
 
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Those that Christ died for, which was not all mankind, but only those that his Father gave him, were forgiven, in a covenant relationship, at the time of Christ's death on the cross as he paid for all of their sins that they would ever commit. Us believing in his death does not save us eternally, however, believing will deliver (save, not eternally, that is already secured) us as we live our lives here on earth.
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I understand your question marks. The doctrine that Jesus taught was confusing to the biggest part of the population in his day and it remains the same today. His disciples were confused as well. John 6:60 - Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this, said, this is an hard saying; who can hear it?
 
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I'm NOT confused!
I understand quite wel! who died for my sins and why!
I'm not understanding your limiting it to NOT ALL MANKIND!
WHSOEVER WILL LET HIM COME!
It is NOT His will that ANY should perish!


Do you understand me?
 
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IFOLLOWHIM said:
I'm NOT confused!
I understand quite wel! who died for my sins and why!
I'm not understanding your limiting it to NOT ALL MANKIND!
WHSOEVER WILL LET HIM COME!
It is NOT His will that ANY should perish!


Do you understand me?
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I admire that you base your belief on what the scriptures say. I also believe that scripture will prove scripture if you do not ignore any of them and they all harmonize. 2 Pet 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to US-WARD (Peter includes himself in this warning), not willing that any should PERISH (Greek=destroy, die, lose, mar.) , but that all should come to repentance. We have to go back to 2 Pet 1:1 to see who peter is talking to, and it is to "them that have obtained like precious faith" so peter is talking to people that have been born of the Spirit, not to the natural man (1 Cor 2:14) that has not been born of the Spirit and cannot discern the things of the Spirit and would never repent of breaking a spiritual law that he thinks is foolish. The "whosoever will" would not include the natural man either.
 
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IFOLLOWHIM said:
I'm NOT confused!
I understand quite wel! who died for my sins and why!
I'm not understanding your limiting it to NOT ALL MANKIND!
WHSOEVER WILL LET HIM COME!
It is NOT His will that ANY should perish!


Do you understand me?
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If Jesus died for all mankind, then, according to John 6:38, all mankind will be raised up at the last day and I don't think that you believe that.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
If Jesus died for all mankind, then, according to John 6:38, all mankind will be raised up at the last day and I don't think that you believe that.
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I didnt say ALL would accept Him,but He died for them just as He did those that believe and will believe!
He has to BELUEVED TO BE THE SON OF GOD and accepted by people to be a part of His inheritance!
 
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IFOLLOWHIM said:
I didnt say ALL would accept Him,but He died for them just as He did those that believe and will believe!
He has to BELUEVED TO BE THE SON OF GOD and accepted by people to be a part of His inheritance!
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All scripture must harmonize. You are affirming that Jesus died for all mankind and all mankind would not accept him. That line of thinking will not harmonize with Dan 4:35 - And all the inhabitants of earth are reputed as nothing, and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? John 17:2 - As thou hast given him POWER OVER ALL FLESH that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Isaiah 55:11 - So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth, it shall not return unto me void, but it shall ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Does it please God to save all mankind?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
All scripture must harmonize. You are affirming that Jesus died for all mankind and all mankind would not accept him. That line of thinking will not harmonize with Dan 4:35 - And all the inhabitants of earth are reputed as nothing, and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? John 17:2 - As thou hast given him POWER OVER ALL FLESH that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Isaiah 55:11 - So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth, it shall not return unto me void, but it shall ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Does it please God to save all mankind?
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