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Chris1975

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written to the save saved -->where sin ABOUNDS, GRACE ABOUNDS THE MORE.....make no mistake pal, you skew the word constantly and walk as an enemy of Jesus....your time will come!
You do know that there is a chapter 6 in Romans which comes after chapter 5.....

Romans 5
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6 (the very next verse)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
 
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The Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant of love with all who love Him and obey His commands, chose us to be born of water and the Spirit, and thus, enter His Kingdom. We had to be born again. (Dan.9:4, Jn.3:5,7)

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with all of us who have been born of the Spirit. (Jn.3:8) The Headship of Jesus Christ over us today is made effective through the Holy Spirit. We diligently hearken unto His voice to observe and do all that He commands us this day all these blessings come upon us and overtake us (Dt.28). Yes, today we choose Him. We choose life, not death. Blessing, not cursing.

We choose life, so that we and our children may live and that we may love the Lord our God, listen to His voice, and hold fast to Him, Dt.30:19,20. That's what the life of faith is. For the Lord is our life! Amen, He certainly is. We address as the Father the one who impartiallly judges according to each one's work, so we conduct ourselves in fear today due to the extremely high price paid for us: the blood of the only begotten of the Father, 1 Peter1:17-19.

Another of the myriad ways that the Lord God has of putting it is this, as recorded in Jn10:27-29: v.27 My sheep hear My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. v.28 I give then eternal life; and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hand. v. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; no one can snatch then out of My Father's hand.

Here is a stronghold that needs demolishing in the hearts and minds of millions of religious people: We cannot have John 10:28 & 29 without John 10:27. It's an illegal claim. If we want Him as Savior we have to have Him as Lord. I bypassed verse 27 all my life in reality. As a respectable Christian I would have told you I did it but I really didn't know what it meant. I had NOT, in reality, returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of my soul. I held on to it. My life was my own. I was not yet, in reality, crucified with Christ. I did MY will. I wasn't in the Kingdom of God. I was in religion. As for sin? I liked it. The other god I had before Him, was me, just like everyone else in the pew. Our tongues laid hold of heaven, though, like our father the devil.

Jesus is spoken of as "Savior" 24 or 28 times in the New Testament, depending on translation. He is spoken of as "Lord" 300 times. There's a pretty good read on the Divine perspective of the matter. By my math, for every time Jesus is spoken of as "Savior" He is spoken of as "Lord" about 12 times. Contrast that with fallen, religious minds. Growing up in church, I would have taken Him as Savior a thousand times, and Lord, maybe twice? And I was a "good", young man. I mean, really good by the standards of my Christian brothers and sisters.

Jesus Christ is King today for His Kingdom citizens. We worship Him in spirit and in Truth today. We hear His voice and we cannot afford to harden our hearts as Israel did and their bodies were laid waste in the wilderness. All that happened to them is a VERY real warning to us, 1 Cor.10. That's why the 2nd (of 5) parenthetical warning from Hebrews, warnings to Spirit baptized believers, is so important to us all. Hebrews 3:7-4:13.

4:11 "Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." That had no bearing on my Christianity growing up, just as it has no bearing for many of you. I was still in darkness, though I had "accepted Jesus in my heart." (Where is that in the Bible again?)

He who has ears to hear, let him hear today. Glory to God. Learn to live this way: Whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. We're all born fallen and having fallen short of His glory. Jesus came to turn all that around so that all things no longer had to be "vanity of vanities" for us. So that we could live from above the sun and mount up with wings as eagles! O, how the world needs to see this! The manifestation of the sons of God. The distinction between the righteous and the wicked; between those who serve God and those who don't, Malachi 3:18.

Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy. Rev.22:11

Read the last 2 chapters of the Bible. It's all about conduct. Jesus came to reform our conduct, to purify our hearts, baptize us with His Spirit so that we could do the will of God today, instead of the will of Satan that we were all born doing. If we've been made righteous, we do what is right. We obey Scripture. We live in the Holy Spirit. Read the whole Bible, it's all about conduct. True salvation is so radical. The ax gets laid to the root of the tree.

Most Christians don't want to hear the Good News of the Kingdom of God. But they say they believe the Gospel. I will not sit in the seat of mockers.

You have no comprehension of the good news pal....

Jesus saves eternally by grace through faith!


You and your clown friends join hand in hand to devalue and corrupt the simplicity of the above message and you will pay the price eternally!
 
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You do know that there is a chapter 6 in Romans which comes after chapter 5.....

Romans 5
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6 (the very next verse)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
You do know that the lost cainologists of Paul's day peddled the same crap you peddle and accused Paul of the same crap you accuse of today.....ALL MY SIN was PAID FOR AT THE CROSS GENIUS and NOW I AM IN A POSITION OF GRACE and NO ONE IS SINLESS......your dogma sickens me and you do not proclaim truth pal!
 

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I think the paradigm of once saved always saved, which is the foundation of the message of Calvary, can very often generate in its wake the worst behaved people who, thinking themselves saved, believe they may speak to others as one aligned with the Devil and still rest assured they are eternally one with Christ. Is it surprising then that such deviant behavior would cause others to question the veracity of OSAS when its proponent acts evilly toward others and therein demonstrates no thing has been regenerated in them at all.
 

Chris1975

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You can lose the stupid comment above pal....and then apply it to yourself....it is obvious you don't even understand the word Grace, much less the bible in context!
You want your sin and you want free grace. You want the "best of both worlds". You can't have them both.
 

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I think the paradigm of once saved always saved, which is the foundation of the message of Calvary, can very often generate in its wake the worst behaved people who, thinking themselves saved, believe they may speak to others as one aligned with the Devil and still rest assured they are eternally one with Christ. Is it surprising then that such deviant behavior would cause others to question the veracity of OSAS when its proponent acts evilly toward others and therein demonstrates no thing has been regenerated in them at all.
The most reasonable comment I have heard from an OSAS believer. Well done. And your insights are true. This kind of dialogue leads to fruitful discussion. Building up the church of God.
 

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Yes, we in Nebraska call the Noon Meal - Dinner, and the evening meal - Supper. So I already had my Christmas Dinner and ate too much. And already had my Christmas NAP. May all of You have a similar good time with family and friends.

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You have no comprehension of the good news pal....
Jesus saves eternally by grace through faith!
You and your clown friends join hand in hand to devalue and corrupt the simplicity of the above message and you will pay the price eternally!
Bless you, David. Praying for you.
 
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"19 My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you" - Galatians 4:19

I guess this can't be said of Calvinist born babies.
No struggle involved since it just happens?
Who is travailing in labor? Paul is. Not the ones he is striving to see Christ formed in.

Babies don’t have labor pains. 😉

Also, I am not a Calvinist. I do not accept Limited Atonement or irresistable grace, and my view of depravity and election is different than theirs.

No struggle involved? Depends on the individual. My struggles didn’t happen until after I was raised to spiritual life.

It (the resurrection) happened too fast for their to be a struggle. But then once I was alive, satan attacked me vigorously. Still does.

But God keeps me...
 
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doesnt work for me. Maybe I am very lost despite great miracles done by the Lord in my life.
i would specifically like you to pray to God asking Him for my death to happen soon. To give me a pulmonary disease and let me die asap. I would very much appreciate. I am serious. I need your prayers for this one reason very much because no one is ready to say an amen when I pray that prayer. Trust me I am a hopeless lost cause. I don't want to continue this life. If you just say an amen to this prayer of mine "Lord, let me just disappear or let me never have existed and let me die soon"...i will be grateful because when 2 or more ask for anything in Jesus name , it is done.
Amorette. I prayed many times for God to take my life when I was struggling with depression and guilt. But the entire way, He carried me, and sustained me, and in time He resurrected my hope. Now, I want to live as long as possible to serve Him, and even though I struggle, my hope does not fail

Find your place in Him, and never give up. He will lift you out of the pit and set you on the rock

The Lord is near to the broken hearted
 

Chris1975

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There are three aspects to salvation (three phases). 1) You are saved 2) You are being saved 3) You will be saved. There are multiple verses in the bible talking about all three aspects, and usually arguments begin between believers when one camp quotes one of the verses and the other camp refutes with other verses. But the bible, in reality is in perfect harmony. Just as there are three phases in salvation, namely Justification, Sanctification and Glorification - Each person of the Godhead is key to each of the three phases. The first phase (Justification) is through Jesus Christ. Justification is that when we were still sinners, Christ died for us and by His blood, PEACE was made between God the Father and mankind. There is no salvation by any other means than coming through the DOOR (Jesus Christ alone). No works could obtain you justification. Impossible for your to be "good enough" to earn God's favour. Just one sin would mean the death penalty over your head. NOW ---- once you enter through the door (or narrow gate), we move on to Sanctification. This is the BEING SAVED element. The presence of the Holy Spirit comes into you and begins to lead you BY THE SPIRIT. This is a process, where the believer is changed by the renewing of their mind, to become more Christlike. You still have a spiritual battle between the Flesh and the Spirit, but we are given God's GRACE (power) to put to death the misdeeds of the body. These are DAILY decisions made in the SOUL (mind and heart) as to whether you are led by the Spirit or live according to the Flesh. The bible says that if you wilfully choose to live according to the flesh you will die. By this it means that you trample the Grace of God underfoot, and reject the blood of the covenant by which you are sanctified. Does this mean that any SLIP-UP is immediately punished? No, but God requires your repentance when you do. No getting around this. Not a superficial repentance but a sincere one. If you live according to these principles you very much are in the sanctification process. There are however warnings - if you will not repent, this leads you down the road to Apostasy (loss of faith), and from this point there is no return. No more sacrifice remains. That's why it is super crucial to cling to the Faith. The last part of the salvation process is Glorification. This part is done by God the Father. He gives us new bodies in the resurrection. The bible says, "to those who OVERCOME" He will give to eat from the Tree of Life. The only ones who can overcome are those who participate in the process of being led by the Spirit (for this is Gods power at work). None of this can be achieved in human strength. Yet it requires obedience and yielding to God. ---- now I will post only one scripture (but you know from what I wrote above that it is ALL scriptural)…….Romans 5v1,2 5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
All of this can be found in just these two verses I posted.
 
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Who is travailing in labor? Paul is. Not the ones he is striving to see Christ formed in.
Since Calvinist babies were picked by God to be believers, their believing just happens automatically and without resistance. No birth pangs. And that believing just goes on and on without interruption, because, once again, it's not their believing. It was bestowed on them because they were picked to be the ones that would have that believing. Just didn't seem to work that way with the Galatians. Understand now what I'm saying?
 
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Also, I am not a Calvinist. I do not accept Limited Atonement or irresistable grace, and my view of depravity and election is different than theirs.
If you believe in once saved always saved you believe a Calvinist doctrine. He's the one who succeeded in bringing it into the church. It was firmly resisted for the first 1500 years of the church. It's an end times teaching. It's the vehicle of deceit through which the end times falling away is occurring.
 

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If you believe in once saved always saved you believe a Calvinist doctrine. He's the one who succeeded in bringing it into the church. It was firmly resisted for the first 1500 years of the church. It's an end times teaching. It's the vehicle of deceit through which the end times falling away is occurring.
No, you do not.
What people refer to as OSAS is not actually a doctrine. It is the result of the finished work of the cross.
The Book of Romans chapter 8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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Since Calvinist babies were picked by God to be believers, their believing just happens automatically and without resistance. No birth pangs. And that believing just goes on and on without interruption, because, once again, it's not their believing. It was bestowed on them because they were picked to be the ones that would have that believing. Just didn't seem to work that way with the Galatians. Understand now what I'm saying?
babies aren't the ones who have birth pangs in birth.

Very, very few Calvinists here.

You haven't read Grace Abounding to the Chief of SInners by John Bunyun have you? Or Pilgrim's Progress?

The brush you paint with is far too broad.