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eternally-gratefull

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doesnt work for me. Maybe I am very lost despite great miracles done by the Lord in my life.
i would specifically like you to pray to God asking Him for my death to happen soon. To give me a pulmonary disease and let me die asap. I would very much appreciate. I am serious. I need your prayers for this one reason very much because no one is ready to say an amen when I pray that prayer. Trust me I am a hopeless lost cause. I don't want to continue this life. If you just say an amen to this prayer of mine "Lord, let me just disappear or let me never have existed and let me die soon"...i will be grateful because when 2 or more ask for anything in Jesus name , it is done.
I would say the fact you are still living shows that God still has hope for you, and you are not a lost Cause. I pray that you find this hope. And knowledge that God loves you. And he would never answer that prayer.
 

Melach

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@Amorette where in india are you friend? nagaland i know has many christians. i love indian people know a few very nice. i really wanted to marry one but i lost my chance she was already married unlucky
 

NayborBear

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i don't like it? What does that suppose to mean? Does that mean u have a picture of God who will stand with wrath towards me when am in His presence? This is what you meant right? Very helpful for a depressed person who is already confused about some Christian thinking to know that. Thank you. Thanks for doing what seemed so comfortable right there when u typed it out. You are amazing. Good job.
It's what you are wishing for right? I'm just praying God grant you the desires of your heart!
Which, to me, seems rather odd, DESPITE the great many miracles God has already done in your life?
Does not this seem rather odd to you as well?
It "seems", you may be in a place of God's "Irresistible Grace!" Orchestrated by God just for you!
Only thing you needs do? Is ACCEPT it!
Or? As seems to be the case in your postings?
Continue resisting!
It reminds me of a "story" about a man who fell off a cliff. He finally managed to grab hold of a bush! Then he started crying out to God! "Please help me!" God answered back: "Let go!" "I'll catch you!"
The guy answered back: "Got any more ideas?" God answered: "Yep!" "But first?" "YOU have to let go!"
 
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I'm not associated with one right now.
I'm looking for a Bible study.
I’m sorry to hear that. Being connected to a Christ centered, Bible believing church is very beneficial and important. I hope that you will pray God lead you to one. I will pray likewise.

Don’t pick one. Ask God to direct your path to one.
 
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I don't want to have carnal desires...I wish i were a child.
The fact that you don’t want carnal desires and desire God are very positive signs. Only trust Him, He is drawing you. Run to Him. Jesus said “ the one who comes to me, I will never cast out. “

Then when the doubt and confusion comes, pray. Lay it all before the Lord. Pour out your heart to Him.

Have you ever trusted God to forgive you because of the fact that Jesus took the full punishment for your sins? He promises forgiveness and healing for all who look to the crucified and risen Jesus

And don’t worry about things you don’t understand. All of us have things we don’t understand. Faith is trusting, even when we don’t understand everything. Faith first, understanding follows in time.

If you trust Him, He will not fail you. If you struggle to trust, tell Him so, and He will help you with that too
 
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doesnt work for me. Maybe I am very lost despite great miracles done by the Lord in my life.
i would specifically like you to pray to God asking Him for my death to happen soon. To give me a pulmonary disease and let me die asap. I would very much appreciate. I am serious. I need your prayers for this one reason very much because no one is ready to say an amen when I pray that prayer. Trust me I am a hopeless lost cause. I don't want to continue this life. If you just say an amen to this prayer of mine "Lord, let me just disappear or let me never have existed and let me die soon"...i will be grateful because when 2 or more ask for anything in Jesus name , it is done.
You are not hopeless. Jesus has all power and is able to restore your soul, and to heal your life. He is able to do far above what we could ever imagine. Place yourself under His healing wings call on Him, and He will give you the Light of Life, for He is the Light of Life
 

Chris1975

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i have panic disorder with depression, i am suffocating at times but my exams keep coming despite that. Tomorrow I will be giving an exam but there is still this irrational panic - a rush within which i know isn't normal. They are giving me sedatives to decrease those symptoms and ofcourse am on antidepressants for almost a year now.
My question is - what does a Christian do here, what is my role when I feel so crippled to do good to anyone? And yes this thread is about 'Not by works' but I fail to understand how to ....just lead a Christian life ....I dont know...with panic coming and going now and then , thus interfering with my studies. I guess all I have to do is keep breathing and keep going on, maybe God knows how crippling this is...this panic and its reactions in my body. Maybe He knows I am not able to do much for my studies right now and neither for others.
Consider going for deliverance, as the oppression might be rooted in something from your past. There may have been doors that you opened in the past (that you are aware of or that you are not aware of). A deliverance minister will be able to isolate the roots of this. Do not go for deliverance if you are not willing to give up on sins or these areas that are exposed. Reason being is that it can cause great issues for you to be delivered of demonic entities but then refusing to give up the strongholds that allowed them access in the first place. So its a decision you need to make beforehand. A commitment.

Meds are not the solution as they can cause more issues in the spirit that you don't ideally want. Its not a permanent solution, and could in fact be contributing more to the situation you find yourself in at the moment (a year of opioid use).

I have seen people set free from the above. It doesn't necessarily all get addressed on the very first session. Just a heads up.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
See, Nothing but BAD FRUIT. Here are the Primary VERSES that teach OSAS to US Born Again Believers:

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2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

1 Corinthians 15:10 (HCSB)
10 But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not ineffective. However, I worked more than any of them, yet not I, but God’s grace that was with me.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:5 (HCSB)
5 ⌊It is⌋ not that we are competent in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our competence is from God.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory.
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

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There is a reason why you think this is nothing but Foolishness:

1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Matthew 24
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

It "appears", OSAS'ers, let's refer to these as "cherry pickers", in this exercise, just love to "pick" the word "justified", and then COMBINE the rest of the verse, where it states "MAY BECOME Heirs, with the HOPE of Eternal life?", into their NEW DEFINITION of the word "justified!"
And, to make matters worser? THEN? Building their "new vocabulary", with adding the words "ETERNAL SECURITY!" As well as other words, and phrases in their "OSAS'ers Revised Dictionary of Delusion!"

You may be asking, or perhaps not, "why, or how can this happen?"

Hebrews 6
Therefore moving beyond (NOT leaving) the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Spiritual maturity (completeness, NOT perfection); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

THIS is/are reason/s why OSAS'ers refuse to recognize EVERYONE that is NOT of THIS body!

Because, it is NOT the "Body of Christ!"

You won't/don't find many, IF ANY OSAS'er "posing the question": "Am I one of those whom Jesus will reject in THAT day?"

Why? One will THEN be FORCED in the "acknowledging", and THEN "accepting", the words "Strong Delusion" and "Believing a LIE!"

When THIS "comes to pass!":
Isaiah 28

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation in TRYING TO UNDERSTAND the report. (of what just took place!)

For THIS is what SHALL be REVEALED!:

20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord God of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.








 
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i have panic disorder with depression, i am suffocating at times but my exams keep coming despite that. Tomorrow I will be giving an exam but there is still this irrational panic - a rush within which i know isn't normal. They are giving me sedatives to decrease those symptoms and ofcourse am on antidepressants for almost a year now.
My question is - what does a Christian do here, what is my role when I feel so crippled to do good to anyone? And yes this thread is about 'Not by works' but I fail to understand how to ....just lead a Christian life ....I dont know...with panic coming and going now and then , thus interfering with my studies. I guess all I have to do is keep breathing and keep going on, maybe God knows how crippling this is...this panic and its reactions in my body. Maybe He knows I am not able to do much for my studies right now and neither for others.
It is possible that you are doing far more than you realize. Perhaps when people see you remaining faithful to Jesus and enduring in the face of such crippling circumstances, they see a testimony of God’s Grace in your strength

Sometimes we are very strong when we feel at our weakest point

God’s strength is made perfect in our weaknesses, and when we are weak, then He is strong, and He makes us strong, though we do not know it

You are in a storm, a great storm. But Jesus is in the boat with you. I know it’s hard, but He has you in the palm of His Hand. There in His hand, there is peace in the midst of the storm. Even when we cannot discern it with our senses

Don’t lose hope.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
love how authoritative you Bible-thumpers are.

" the matter is settled", " you are not arguing with me, you are arguing with Scripture", " I am only speaking the word of God".

get off your religious high horse, admit you are a sinner just like every other human on earth , and discuss Scripture from that point of view, instead of your fake moral high ground.
Not arguing scripture!
Arguing OSAS'ers "cherry picking/buffet style" handling and REINTERPRETATION/S of scripture!
 

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Not arguing scripture!
Arguing OSAS'ers "cherry picking/buffet style" handling and REINTERPRETATION/S of scripture!
you mean like you judeaizers do, just picking out certain verses to attempt to put Law and Sabbath keeping as requirements for Christ followers.

you are an expert at mis-direction and deceptive handling of Scripture. you fall into the category of the other 2.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
you mean like you judeaizers do, just picking out certain verses to attempt to put Law and Sabbath keeping as requirements for Christ followers.

you are an expert at mis-direction and deceptive handling of Scripture. you fall into the category of the other 2.
When one cannot "acknowledge" that which is not seen? The only option left? Is in only having the "capacity" of seeing that which is seen!

What's flesh is flesh.
What's Spirit is Spirit.
 

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Mark 4
12 so that
‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’”
 

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doesnt work for me. Maybe I am very lost despite great miracles done by the Lord in my life.
i would specifically like you to pray to God asking Him for my death to happen soon. To give me a pulmonary disease and let me die asap. I would very much appreciate. I am serious. I need your prayers for this one reason very much because no one is ready to say an amen when I pray that prayer. Trust me I am a hopeless lost cause. I don't want to continue this life. If you just say an amen to this prayer of mine "Lord, let me just disappear or let me never have existed and let me die soon"...i will be grateful because when 2 or more ask for anything in Jesus name , it is done.
I've been there too! Whats going on? What makes you feel that way? Did something happen? Sorry for being lazy and not reading the whole thread.
Now im not no doctor but I can relate to what you're feeling, sounds like DEPRESSION CITY, population: YOU

I lived in that city all my life, ever since I could remember i was never interested in ANYTHING, other folks was excited about getting their driver's licenses, cars, girlfriends, jobs, university positions WHATEVER, I never got excited for anything in my entire life and everytime I was happy, i was ACTING. Then when I got saved I was the same way for a long time and I kept praying God help me, I tried very briefly antidepressants only ONCE and i immediately stopped when i noticed these things wont fix me they just NUMB the symptoms and could make me go from a DEPRESSED MAN to a DEPRESSED dopehead man, I had seen so many people go through that.

How God gave me the victory over depression was by removing IDLENESS. An idlemind is the devil's workshop. Even if you couldn't walk, if you can TALK, you can influence other people and give them words of encouragement, wisdom, motivation... in other words you got a PURPOSE for existance. God put you here for a REASON, you have a CALLING, and God wants you to roll up your sleeves and WORK HARD in whatever HE is caling you to do!

So my suggestion is, switch your prayer to: GOD lift me up and SHOW ME the path you want me to walk and I will walk on it.

I come from the mean streets so I can relate to the inmates and ex-inmates and all the OGs, that is my call to ministry to WITNESS to those kind of people, to help them program and get rid of alcoholism or substance abuse and motivate them through the triple W method, Worship, Workout, Work. To be there for folks!

Once you find your calling, and you RUN WITH IT, you simply DONT GOT TIME to be depressed, and once the calling is from GOD, it wont feel like a CHORE like doing dishes. But you'll do it out of LOVE for God and you'll do it with JOY. You'll wake up in the morning yelling LETS GOOOOOO, say your prayers while still in bed, crack open a bible, SMASH those burpees, drink some coffee and start the day.

I know it seems like there is NO WAY OUT and its nothing but blackness and depression and sadness and every day is MISERY and my message sounds like some Joel Osteen self-talk NONSENSE but TRUST ME, with God there is always a way out of depression, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

PS: Proper diet, exercise and getting enough sleep can also help with depression, JUST SAYING THAT in case your depression is mostly related to something like that, I dont know your circumstances so dont tihnk im PREACHING to you, just trying to help out here.

Lord show this woman her calling and release her from the prison of depression and let the joy of the LORD overwhelm her. In Jesus' name I pray. amen!
 

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doesnt work for me. Maybe I am very lost despite great miracles done by the Lord in my life.
i would specifically like you to pray to God asking Him for my death to happen soon. To give me a pulmonary disease and let me die asap. I would very much appreciate. I am serious. I need your prayers for this one reason very much because no one is ready to say an amen when I pray that prayer. Trust me I am a hopeless lost cause. I don't want to continue this life. If you just say an amen to this prayer of mine "Lord, let me just disappear or let me never have existed and let me die soon"...i will be grateful because when 2 or more ask for anything in Jesus name , it is done.

Amor, you can't honestly expect ANYONE to give an amen to that prayer. We aren't promised an easy life. Nor are we promised a HAPPY life. God isn't going to give you a disease just because you want Him to. He helps those who help themselves, but you seem content to wallow in this pity party pit you're in. We have NO CHOICE but to push on through this life as best we can, and that includes YOU. You are only a "lost cause" if you choose to be one. Stop making the devil happy and do something to pull yourself out of this malarkey that you're spewing..
 

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When one cannot "acknowledge" that which is not seen? The only option left? Is in only having the "capacity" of seeing that which is seen!

What's flesh is flesh.
What's Spirit is Spirit.
you see, if one is walking in the Sprit, then that means that person is manifesting the fruits of the Sprit, against which there is no law.

but, in the fruits of the Sprit is no Sabbath keeping.
so, further proof, no Sabbath keeping required for salvation through faith in Christ.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
you see, if one is walking in the Sprit, then that means that person is manifesting the fruits of the Sprit, against which there is no law.

but, in the fruits of the Sprit is no Sabbath keeping.
so, further proof, no Sabbath keeping required for salvation through faith in Christ.
So then, you are saying "Salvation through faith in Christ", a "Priest after the order of Melchizedek doth make?"
Is this what you are saying?

Or, is it that "salvation through faith in Christ", is all you are seeking?
 

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That’s why they can not hear anyone and continue to bear false witness in failure to understand. They hear eternal life, or security and they go into Calvin mode. So they can not hear anything else. One thing I have noticed in the past few years. The hatred against calvinistic thought is so great, these people will never even listen to anythign anyone says, because they are blinded by their hate,

we used to say the Catholic Church convinced their people through some form of manipulation a bunch of things that no one should believe. Well whatever church these people go to. Have done this to them. Instead of sharing the word with them and helping them to make their Own decisions based on what is rue, They have spoon fed them stuff about their enemy (in this case calvin and OSAS) that these people have no capacity to openly listen to a word anyone says.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, the errant teaching is so secure in the psyche of such folk that they even defend their position by claiming they are not Calvinists.
I find that odd indeed. Calvinism is not the Gospel. Such strong delusion can cost dearly. It is truly a tragedy.