Not By Works

[JohnR7]

That is heartbreaking... sorry for your loss.

I tend to rejoice because he has gone onto his reward in Heaven. Although I am sure a lot of people in drugs do die in their sin. He was 40 so he had already lived a pretty full life.

 

[NayborBear]

Salvation is accomplished by God alone. ( the triune God). After we’re saved, we have a part in growing and sanctification, but not in the sense of working towards salvation, which only God can accomplish.

Seems you and most others cannot, or will not move beyond this "salvation issue", which is a "free gift", just for the believing, UNTO "Spiritual maturity", of the which, WORKS, being "spiritual sacrifice" are required. But, are "viewed" by mockers and scoffers as "works unto salvationists!"

Works unto Spiritual maturity? Yes!
Works unto salvation? No!

 

[EleventhHour]

I tend to rejoice because he has gone onto his reward in Heaven. Although I am sure a lot of people in drugs do die in their sin. He was 40 so he had already lived a pretty full life.

That is a welcome comfort for believers.... agree.

 

[OneOfHis]

Seems you and most others cannot, or will not move beyond this "salvation issue", which is a "free gift", just for the believing, UNTO "Spiritual maturity", of the which, WORKS, being "spiritual sacrifice" are required. But, are "viewed" by mockers and scoffers as "works unto salvationists!"

Works unto Spiritual maturity? Yes!
Works unto salvation? No!

"Works salvationists" are seen as such because they tie their own works to wether or not they can have assurance in salvation.


"Not by works" is to say we aren't saved by works.

Far different than "don't do works".

 

[Judges1318]

notice also that such people were called. Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.

It is a sure thing..........if you keep believing. You can't ignore all that the Bible says about this.

Such a simple gospel, but made so complicated by the fear that 'believing' is somehow man trying to earn his own salvation.

 

[Discern]

My son died from a drug overdose. He started when he broke his arm and the doctor gave him pills for the pain.

I’m very sorry to hear that. May the God of all comfort give you peace in the midst of heartbreak

 

[NayborBear]

(though if we split hairs to be obedient to our Father

Seems God "loves" "splitting hairs!"
Is called "refining!"

Gotta also be careful which "Father" you allow to place burdens on yer heart too!

Because there is a "father of lies!"

Jez thought you'd like to know that.

 

[Judges1318]

"Works salvationists" are seen as such because they tie their own works to wether or not they can have assurance in salvation.

The security of salvation comes from having faith in Christ.
The assurance that you have that security of salvation comes from your works (because genuine faith works).
This is straight up Bible.
No special man made interpretations needed.

 

[Discern]

Seems you and most others cannot, or will not move beyond this "salvation issue", which is a "free gift", just for the believing, UNTO "Spiritual maturity", of the which, WORKS, being "spiritual sacrifice" are required. But, are "viewed" by mockers and scoffers as "works unto salvationists!"

Works unto Spiritual maturity? Yes!
Works unto salvation? No!

Please read post 119, 919, last three paragraphs and see if this post of yours accurately describes my position.

 

[JohnR7]

So nice of you to ask.

My post was with regards to defending the Gospel... here, there and everywhere.

But .....I am the type of person who can enjoy spending a day organizing a cupboard... truly!!

I love researching, reading, cooking, painting, home improvements, gardening and all winter physical activities... skate, downhill ski, cross country skiing etc.,

If you really want to kill time take up golf in the summer... I myself not a fan.

Congratulations on your up and coming nuptials.

What States did you ski in? I lived in Utah for 3 years and the ski there was really nice.

 

[OneOfHis]

Seems God "loves" "splitting hairs!"
Is called "refining!"

Gotta also be careful which "Father" you allow to place burdens on yer heart too!

Because there is a "father of lies!"

Jez thought you'd like to know that.

Just like you to quote something out of context and not address anything of value...🤣

(what you quoted here specifically was splitting hairs in regards to the topic of how the word obedience is being used)


For the record the child of God you quoted earlier which I responded to, who you said doesn't seem to know the difference between salvation issues and issues of spiritually maturity just responded to a post about that very topic in that last two pages.🤫

 

[Discern]

God has not changed one iota concerning holiness. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deceived.

1 John 3
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Yes, these verses describe the difference between a believer and a non believer.

The verbs are in present tense which describe ongoing sin. Christians can and do fall into sin. But they do not make it their permenant place of residence. Unbelievers can do relatively good things, but cannot please God, and righteousness is not their place of residence

These verses are describing walk and lifestyle conditioned by ones nature, not isolated events.

 

[JohnR7]

That is a welcome comfort for believers.... agree.

Kinda makes me wonder why everyone does not get saved when you look at all the benefits. Why would anyone want to sell out their birthright for a bowel of stew.

 

[Discern]

Kinda makes me wonder why everyone does not get saved when you look at all the benefits. Why would anyone want to sell out their birthright for a bowel of stew.

Because sin has blinded their eyes. They cannot see the truth until the Light begins to dawn on them.

 

[NayborBear]

"Works salvationists" are seen as such because they tie their own works to wether or not they can have assurance in salvation.


"Not by works" is to say we aren't saved by works.

Far different than "don't do works".

No? That is the "way" you "choose" to take it!

I work towards spiritual maturity!
Salvation is not the "issue!"

Although? I'll have to admit! The moving beyond the principle doctrines of Christ, unto spiritual maturity, in the spiritual sacrifice/s acceptable to God by Jesus Christ?
Can (and does) cause one to feel like one's "salvation" is in jeopardy.
But, this is more from leaning on one's own, (or others) understanding of "salvation verses spiritual maturity", on God's "threshing room floor" (scared), then it is from God!

Not to mention the mocking, scoffing, and freely tossed out monikers for those who do not lean on their own (or others) understanding.

Agree?

 

[JohnR7]

I agree 100% what you describe here is obedience to the gospel. (though if we split hairs to be obedient to our Father in general may be to spend time with someone or witness or eat better or save better or anything He places on our heart.....)

Jesus lived His life as an Example for us to follow. Jesus went about preaching, teaching and healing the sick. So that is what we are to do. "Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people." (Matthew 4:23)

 

[Discern]

No? That is the "way" you "choose" to take it!

I work towards spiritual maturity!
Salvation is not the "issue!"

Although? I'll have to admit! The moving beyond the principle doctrines of Christ, unto spiritual maturity, in the spiritual sacrifice/s acceptable to God by Jesus Christ?
Can (and does) cause one to feel like one's "salvation" is in jeopardy.
But, this is more from leaning on one's own, (or others) understanding of "salvation verses spiritual maturity", on God's "threshing room floor" (scared), then it is from God!

Not to mention the mocking, scoffing, and freely tossed out monikers for those who do not lean on their own (or others) understanding.

Agree?

We certainly play a part in the maturation process. I don’t think anyone here is denying that. But maturity is knowing Jesus and consequently being made more like Him. That is the only maturity that has real value.

 

[Melach]

I love the cold....more wood in the wood stove, dress in layers and a good crisp breath of fresh cold air......love it

i agree its the best weather no bugs no excessive sweating not hard to sleep because air so warm and you can go ice fishing by skiing to the lake.

fish is one of the healthiest foods but sadly today many of it contain mercury. there was the tschernobyl accident and much of the radiation came to finland also so our lakes are high in mercury

 

[Discern]

they always tell us how bad life was in the past and how great it is now. how short life expectancy was then etc.

but was it really that bad in medievil times? i dont believe it. i think its just propaganda sold to us. even in the bible people lived long. apostle john lived to his 90s

its not that bad i believe in the past. some things were better, some were worse. it also depends on where you live at the time (war etc). what you guys think?

There was also a tremendous amount of people who died in infancy and childhood at various times in history.

 

[OneOfHis]

No? That is the "way" you "choose" to take it!

I work towards spiritual maturity!
Salvation is not the "issue!"

Although? I'll have to admit! The moving beyond the principle doctrines of Christ, unto spiritual maturity, in the spiritual sacrifice/s acceptable to God by Jesus Christ?
Can (and does) cause one to feel like one's "salvation" is in jeopardy.
But, this is more from leaning on one's own, (or others) understanding of "salvation verses spiritual maturity", on God's "threshing room floor" (scared), then it is from God!

Not to mention the mocking, scoffing, and freely tossed out monikers for those who do not lean on their own (or others) understanding.

Agree?

We should never be removed from the simplicity that is in Christ.

We have Him and only Him to be grateful to in regards to WHY WE HAVE HOPE......


No one here that I've seen has any trouble separating this from the fact we ought to show our love for Him who loved us first by submitting to His righteousness listening for His voice and letting His love shine through us as His body here on earth.

That is why I gave you the "disagree" emote.

Of course we ought to walk after our Father and seek His will in ALL things.....

We just never should tie our assurance to our own actions when Jesus gets the glory.


God has given us new hearts which desire righteousness and a quickened spirit which desires maturity....

He has also GIVEN us eternal life, what we will be REWARDED is a separate issue.

If people make a thread which is meant to give God the glory for salvation, I don't see how that suggests they have made ANY implications about spiritual maturity and to assume they are "stuck" for giving God glory would place us in error..... false assumptions/accusations based on no evidence.