Not By Works

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Melach

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JACK of all trades
Jack of SPADES
Jack in the box
Jack be quick
Jack and the bean stalk
Jack and Jill
Jack Black
Jack Daniels

take your pick....PAL
my pick? well after been sober for this long jack daniels sounds really good to me. it has 0 calories some would call it health drink.
 
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Then why do you think you have to maintain your own salvation, thus in essence exhausting yourself. Ie, you CAN do something..

yet we praise God for working in us, and keeping us in HIS power to the end, and we do not exult Jesus?

something wrong with that picture.
Exhausting yourself. Imagine sitting in a space rocket with a programmed navigation tool.
Putting in the wrong destination seriously damages your health, and sitting on the wrong type of rocket can destroy your chances.

Evil deeds are like a leak of fuel, when there is someone about to light it.
It is all going to blow up and go to the wrong destination.

slaves to sin while claiming Christ.
1 Cor 5:11
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Calling these guys saved, secure, no danger or damage of any significance involved is the opposite of what Paul is saying.
Jesus says correct the sin in ones brothers life, and if rejected, reject them.

Jesus will do as we do on earth on His behalf.

Matt 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

A righteous holy pure place like heaven and its kingdom, for some unknown reason to sinners, will lovingly ignore their sin and rebellion and accept them open armed with the phrase

Matt 25:21
His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

No of these folk these words will be spoken

Matt 22:13
Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

Sin matters, make straight your paths, let Jesus rule in your hearts.
 
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I lift Him up, brother man. Even if I get a bowl of Corn Flakes. Because in Him we live, and move, and have our being. Yes! Having been made righteous through faith in Him, I can even eat breakfast to His glory. Can you understand that? What being made righteous means?

How on earth do you divorce the two??
How on earth do you think your works can save you when you works are called bloody rags?

we are talking about salvation here, not about producing fruit
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I gotta do whatever the Bible says. Check it out!
Your not though

ypur doing what the world does. And every other religion does, and trying to puff up your works telling everyone how they need to be like you so they too can get to heaven
 

Melach

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Your not though

ypur doing what the world does. And every other religion does, and trying to puff up your works telling everyone how they need to be like you so they too can get to heaven
i went to the store today for my grandmother. phew salvation maintained for another day. eazy
 

Chris1975

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How on earth do you think your works can save you when you works are called bloody rags?

we are talking about salvation here, not about producing fruit
Lol ^^^

Matthew 7
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.L
 
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Try again pal...I condemn your false gospel.....!! And you false accusations in the first line means jack....!
"I am a nice guy, I just have a rough side, I carry my potato gun, and can deal with anything, you get what you deserve."

This sounds the hollywood ideal, what a hero, what a hunk.

Except our hero is Paul and the apostles, listen to their way of living

1 Cor 4:9-13
For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men.
We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored!
To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless.
We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it;
when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.

And John spoke about dealing with sin.

1 John 3:3-6
Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
 
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Lol ^^^

Matthew 7
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.L
Lol

if your not saved, you can not bear fruit.

Lets get salvation down first before you start boasting of your works
 
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Look, by deductive reasoning and truth...IF one can LOSE it, then ONE must do something to MAINTAIN it...that DEVALUES JESUS and lifts self....regardless of any and all that try to spin it a different way....and I will flat OPPOSE that false ideology until the day I go to be with the LORD or HE cracks the EASTERN SKY.....
deductive reasoning - if you are alive, you can die, so you need to do things to stay alive. If you are dead, there is nothing you need to do because you do not exist.

So those who need to do nothing in their relationship with Jesus, do not have one.
Relationships only exist because you can distinguish between a good or evil relationship.

What are we commanded to do as our first commandment
Deut 6:5
"Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength"

One has to be brain dead, to know a God who asks this of us, will be ok with a dead relationship.
God will just ignore the dead as not being alive - weeping and gnashing of teeth
 
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Our works will never get us in the right place. Only faith can do that

as the hymn goes, Jesus paid it all
Thank the Lord Jesus Christ we don’t live by hymns.
Still divorcing faith and works. Honestly read the letters to the churches and find out about works.
 
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Thank the Lord Jesus Christ we don’t live by hymns.
Still divorcing faith and works. Honestly read the letters to the churches and find out about works.
Ephesus, Thyratyra, Pergamum, Sardis, Laodicea has all been saved! They were in great danger of being cut off! I know your deeds, He said. You lot are EXCELLENT Laodiceans!
 

Melach

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problem with works salvation people is they think too highly of themself. ego too big. i hate that sneak dissing as they say in hip hop game. i dont know the real word for it.but it means like you dont say it straight you disrespect in a sneaky sly way. they do it to us all the time by saying and "exhorting" us to whatever. speaking like apostles basically implying we are living in willful sin day in day out and are like the devil but they are holy men of God teaching us spiritual peasants whats what.
Lol

if your not saved, you can not bear fruit.

Lets get salvation down first before you start boasting of your works
 
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How on earth do you think your works can save you when you works are called bloody rags?

we are talking about salvation here, not about producing fruit
I feel very sad for anyone who can only do work that is disgusting "bloody rags".
To such I would suggest they need to experience some real faith, real cleansing and renewal so the works they can do in Christ are works to His glory and praise.

Matt 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

Eph 2:10
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

God did not create us to do things that people will see and call dirty bloody rags, things of disgust and impurity, but things of honour, service and love to the praise of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen
 
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Thank the Lord Jesus Christ we don’t live by hymns.
Still divorcing faith and works. Honestly read the letters to the churches and find out about works.
who is divorcing faith and works. I am divorcing works from a means of salvation
get it right man