Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil and being Joint Heirs with Christ.
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my cat is currently meowing out the window in eager expectation of being allowed to prance about the lawn and play with squirrels .. 
not just Isaiah 55; also 1 Chronicles 16 and Psalm 96.
which part is figurative, the 'hands' bit or creation rejoicing? are these passages what Paul was thinking of when he wrote that about 'the creation' in Romans 8? if so he's not just talking about humans. Christ said the stones would cry out - and said He is able to raise up children of Abraham from the stones, which, seeing that we are made of dust + breath of life, isn't entirely figurative.
this stuff, dude, it's beyond us. to God everything is alive but to us, we hardly have eyes to see as it is.
which part is figurative, the 'hands' bit or creation rejoicing? are these passages what Paul was thinking of when he wrote that about 'the creation' in Romans 8? if so he's not just talking about humans. Christ said the stones would cry out - and said He is able to raise up children of Abraham from the stones, which, seeing that we are made of dust + breath of life, isn't entirely figurative.
this stuff, dude, it's beyond us. to God everything is alive but to us, we hardly have eyes to see as it is.
Yes it’s figurative as like.
Habakkuk 2
11For the stones will cry out from the wall, and the rafters will echo it from the woodwork.
Habakkuk 2
11For the stones will cry out from the wall, and the rafters will echo it from the woodwork.
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have you ever lived with cats? there's a lot behind those eyes that's not just instinct, IMO. they are intelligent & display emotions. they play jokes and they show gratitude and offense. they hold grudges and express forgiveness. they rejoice and they mourn. this cat currently expressing his desire to get out of the house for a bit, he wouldn't be running back to thank me for letting him play in the grass and leaves if it was just instinctively wanting to hunt.
i have another cat who goes in and out, and he brings in chipmunks often from the woods. it's true that some he eats, but the majority he seems to be inviting in as friends. he sits there and purrs while they eat his food and drink his water, and he doesn't harm them. i've watched him grow up getting better and better at catching them unharmed, and i can't even count how many i've had to catch in the house and bring back outside. he gets really pissy with me if he sees me doing this so we've had to contrive elaborate distractions and pretend losing them was 'accidental' lol
just to say -- as most any pet owner will tell you -- animals have a complexity and intelligence that's way beyond simple instinctive behavior, and they will do things contrary to instinct. of course different animals have varying degrees of this kind of behavior, and even different individuals. and of course it's on a simpler level than humans - but humans show the same kind of mix of instinct & reason & emotion. just the other day i was telling a co-worker who recently became a first-time cat owner, it's not that they are so much like us, but really, we are just like them -- we do the same things, only we do it at a more sophisticated level.
i have another cat who goes in and out, and he brings in chipmunks often from the woods. it's true that some he eats, but the majority he seems to be inviting in as friends. he sits there and purrs while they eat his food and drink his water, and he doesn't harm them. i've watched him grow up getting better and better at catching them unharmed, and i can't even count how many i've had to catch in the house and bring back outside. he gets really pissy with me if he sees me doing this so we've had to contrive elaborate distractions and pretend losing them was 'accidental' lol
just to say -- as most any pet owner will tell you -- animals have a complexity and intelligence that's way beyond simple instinctive behavior, and they will do things contrary to instinct. of course different animals have varying degrees of this kind of behavior, and even different individuals. and of course it's on a simpler level than humans - but humans show the same kind of mix of instinct & reason & emotion. just the other day i was telling a co-worker who recently became a first-time cat owner, it's not that they are so much like us, but really, we are just like them -- we do the same things, only we do it at a more sophisticated level.
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a new heavens and a new earth -- and no more sun, no more sea. goodness, what about fishes? that's a really big topic that i honestly don't think anyone but God sees clearly, what will be. i am totally unqualified to say, even if i do have some kind of rudimentary familiarity with the Bible.
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Yes I have had cats, one I loved a lot in which I found as a stray wouldn’t use the litter box was like a dog scratching at the door to be let out to go to it’s business, well long story short the neighbors kids throw my cat in their backyard with pit bulls I miss her at times she was such a good cat.
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Quite a bit of interesting things, I scratch my head on aquatic life being destroyed by water.
15I will remember My covenant between Me and you and all living creatures: Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life.
15I will remember My covenant between Me and you and all living creatures: Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life.
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Noah his wife, four sons and four daughter in laws. That adds up to 10 people. We read about: "sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose." (Genesis6:1) My idea of who the sons of God and the daughters of men is different then what most people believe. But these are the people that were killed in the flood.
If we go to Cheddar England we find the descendants of Cheddar man from around 10,000 years ago. So it is pretty obvious that Noah's flood did not kill the people that were living in Cheddar England at the time. Noah's flood involved the people that were living in the Tigris - Euphrates River valley. We call this Mesopotamia and there were two groups of people living there at the time. The Sumerians and the Semitic people. The Phoenicians were Semitic.
If we go to Cheddar England we find the descendants of Cheddar man from around 10,000 years ago. So it is pretty obvious that Noah's flood did not kill the people that were living in Cheddar England at the time. Noah's flood involved the people that were living in the Tigris - Euphrates River valley. We call this Mesopotamia and there were two groups of people living there at the time. The Sumerians and the Semitic people. The Phoenicians were Semitic.
got to keep in mind that a living soul is not just a physical body. the physical body is a biological interface between the soul and the physical world. a cat or a camel or a chimpanzee, if it has a soul, isn't any necessarily less sophisticated than a human in terms of the person -- they have different bodies, different physical brains and hearts, and it may be that what we observe as them being 'lesser' than us is only a result of them having less sophisticated equipment to interact with the world than we do.
we got nice brains & hearts. you know? a person driving a car with a 6-figure price tag isn't necessarily any better of a driver than someone in a $350 beater. the performance and agility of the vehicle isn't the right way to measure the skill and maturity of the driver. so it is with the physical body -- i ain't necessarily any smarter than a person with brain damage; i just have a nicer interface than they do.
we got nice brains & hearts. you know? a person driving a car with a 6-figure price tag isn't necessarily any better of a driver than someone in a $350 beater. the performance and agility of the vehicle isn't the right way to measure the skill and maturity of the driver. so it is with the physical body -- i ain't necessarily any smarter than a person with brain damage; i just have a nicer interface than they do.
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the one difference I do see is animals where never mentioned as created in the likeness of God.
Man Being made in the image and likeness of God means that human beings are like God not saying we are gods but God is a spiritual being. so if man was the only creation that is in that likeness then man in my opinion seems to be the only ones who depart earthly life in a spiritual way.
Man Being made in the image and likeness of God means that human beings are like God not saying we are gods but God is a spiritual being. so if man was the only creation that is in that likeness then man in my opinion seems to be the only ones who depart earthly life in a spiritual way.
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