3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists
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That's what you say, but that's not what I read. I declare "it" has happen and Jesus is King right now today calling ALL NATIONS to Himself. Is Israel not a nation? Also everything that you just said is an assertion, if you take the quotes I'm putting forth here it is all quoting His words to us. Don't get me wrong that doesn't prove anything, and anyone can grab little quotes and make the bible say what you want, but it is an interesting observation. I don't believe the words in the bible were being spoken to us. He was looking them in the eyes telling them "Truly I tell YOU that THIS generation....", I'm not trying to start a debate about this right here, but my point is that you have to take His word completely out of context and add your presuppositions to come up with what you just wrote here. God doesn't do half measures, there are not 2 covenants, one you don't have to really do the same way anymore, while the other is calling ALL, but not 1 group, but ALL, only His word never make a distinction and really goes out of it's way to declare the exact opposite.
The Jews aren't even Jewish anymore, God is not with them if they deny Jesus, unless they are in Jesus and I know a TON of them that are* (so why some are in Christ if they are being set aside, that too make no since), they don't do ANYTHING the system God set up calls them to do. This doesn't even touch the "3rd temple" problem, that even if Men built a house and call it "god's temple" doesn't make it so. God will command His temple built like He always has. Where has this been commanded, and is He going to send the Son to command it? The bible says all authority is in Jesus now, is Jesus going to command them to build it, if so will they have to believe on the Son to accept His commands? The whole idea that God has 2 classes is SO against EVERYTHING Jesus and the apostles taught I could keep going but I don't want this to just be about throwing our presupposed arguments at each other never actually talking to each other. When has God ever commanded a 3rd temple built, and is scripture still open now since God has to command His temple built, otherwise it's not His and would be strait up of Satan the day it was built? Have you ever though about that?
The Jews aren't even Jewish anymore, God is not with them if they deny Jesus, unless they are in Jesus and I know a TON of them that are* (so why some are in Christ if they are being set aside, that too make no since), they don't do ANYTHING the system God set up calls them to do. This doesn't even touch the "3rd temple" problem, that even if Men built a house and call it "god's temple" doesn't make it so. God will command His temple built like He always has. Where has this been commanded, and is He going to send the Son to command it? The bible says all authority is in Jesus now, is Jesus going to command them to build it, if so will they have to believe on the Son to accept His commands? The whole idea that God has 2 classes is SO against EVERYTHING Jesus and the apostles taught I could keep going but I don't want this to just be about throwing our presupposed arguments at each other never actually talking to each other. When has God ever commanded a 3rd temple built, and is scripture still open now since God has to command His temple built, otherwise it's not His and would be strait up of Satan the day it was built? Have you ever though about that?
This is part of the covenant God made with His people Israel. This will occur at His 2nd coming, which includes a physical redemption of Israel from their enemies.
Luke 1
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
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Yes these are all promises that God made with them, to usher in the new age and to redeem all creation, these took place, He also tells Him all will be blessed through His line, and it was. Jesus brought that salvation, AND the judgement that He said was at hand. NONE of this proves your view over mine, it's all perspective, and either 1 of these two views is true, or we are both wrong, but if you honestly sit down and look at this side of the argument long enough to see how I see all these things fit everything together, and His Spirit starts working hard in us, lighting a fire, coming alive to sing out the glory of our savior. The whole "He's King now, but not yet" just doesn't fit. A future judgment just doesn't fit and it's the only reason you believe there has to be another temple build. God NEVER mentions a 3rd temple. It HAS to be assumed trying to make false teachings fit. Can you at least grasp my perspective here. Do these thing even make sense to you?
You're new to the forums so I'll tell you that the answer to your question is, I had no idea. Because the etiquette of forum discussions entails hitting the reply button on the post of the member to whom you wish to address your remarks. And that then sets their remarks in quote brackets, along with their screen name, so that everyone may know to whom you are replying.
Thanks for clearing things up. I hope my advice helps you. Blessings.
Thanks for clearing things up. I hope my advice helps you.
Blessings.
You're new to the forums so I'll tell you that the answer to your question is, I had no idea. Because the etiquette of forum discussions entails hitting the reply button on the post of the member to whom you wish to address your remarks. And that then sets their remarks in quote brackets, along with their screen name, so that everyone may know to whom you are replying.
Thanks for clearing things up. I hope my advice helps you. Blessings.
Thanks for clearing things up. I hope my advice helps you.
Blessings.
Actually, if another temple is built, it is an abomination and an idol as Jesus is the true temple of God. He is where the believer goes to, for forgiveness of sins. A physical building now would just be an abomination and an idol. Believers are stones in this temple when they are united to Christ.
If one is built, then it is abominable.
If one is built, then it is abominable.
Well, the Jews did not receive redemption from their enemies, the Lord did not restore the kingdom to Israel yet, and He has yet to place the government upon His shoulders. He could have if the Jews would have received Him. These promises have been postponed until His 2nd coming. He will return as King of Kings and will rule from Jerusalem and bring peace to the nation of Israel and so all Israel shall be saved.
I have to respectfully disagree and find that your words are contradictory here, "there is no Jew or Gentile", right after you write, "They are still God's covenant people", they do not mesh. Was there not a "new covenant" made? The coming judgement written about was coming on the covenant breakers, and it came for them just like Jesus said it would. That covenant was ended with the destruction of everything they needed for their end of it. I know these next words are going to seem harsh, but it's the truth. Separating the Jew into some separate category as if Gods set them aside into some side class that doesn't need Jesus is hating the Jew strait up. No, they need Jesus just like everybody else on the planet now. This twisted doctrine putting the 70 ad judgement in the future causes this, causes people to have to think He is saving them like this for the future end. Guess what? They already did, this happen back then, and it was Jews that announced His kingdom come, it was also Jews that recorded all these events so we have them today. ANYONE who denies the Son denies the Father, period. Even Israel now. The Son calls ALL too Himself, just like you said there is no Jew or Gentile anymore, that AGE has ended and ALL Gods children are in and under the beautiful name of our Lord Jesus THE Christ. I plea for all Israelis, Jews, gentiles, all to come bow to their true King, the Savior of all, Jesus!!!! Man I love God!
My bat.See but this doesn't work because in the bible it is Gods temple that is desecrated, it's not a stack of rocks men just call "gods temple". In order for God to have a temple on earth He will have to command us to build it. Again this starts an unbelievable amount of problems in itself. Tell me how this sounds, see this horrible judgement, the judgement Jesus Himself looked the people of Jerusalem in the eyes and warned them about, a judgement that was going to bring about the end of the age, and then it came just like He said it would, ending that age and right after bringing His kingdom to earth just like it says, a kingdom that literally split time and every since has been bringing everything under Him. A kingdom He described like a mustard seed, that grew until all could find rest in it's shade. I'm telling you brother our King is seated on high right now with ALL authority in heaven and on earth reigning until all enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. Amen!!!!
Trying to change this as if there are still things, outside of the final judgement of all and the perfected creation presented to the Father to dwell with us forever, it messes so many things up in my opinion and makes Jesus very word wrong and make no since at all in there context, in my opinion. I'm just trying to seek the truth like you are brother, but a 3rd temple fails logic on so many different levels.
Sorry for the long comment, but I really want to get you thoughts on my main point, you said "A physical building now would just be an abomination and an idol. Believers are stones in this temple when they are united to Christ.",
Again in the bible it is clearly speaking of Gods temple in Jerusalem that these things happen in, if this "temple" is just, "an abomination and an idol", how could it be desecrated, and how could this possibly be what's described in scripture. I would like your thoughts on this particular issue. Please.
Trying to change this as if there are still things, outside of the final judgement of all and the perfected creation presented to the Father to dwell with us forever, it messes so many things up in my opinion and makes Jesus very word wrong and make no since at all in there context, in my opinion. I'm just trying to seek the truth like you are brother, but a 3rd temple fails logic on so many different levels.
Sorry for the long comment, but I really want to get you thoughts on my main point, you said "A physical building now would just be an abomination and an idol. Believers are stones in this temple when they are united to Christ.",
Again in the bible it is clearly speaking of Gods temple in Jerusalem that these things happen in, if this "temple" is just, "an abomination and an idol", how could it be desecrated, and how could this possibly be what's described in scripture. I would like your thoughts on this particular issue. Please.
Is Jesus the new temple?
Is he where men come for their sins to be forgiven?
How will your temple be staffed? The geneology records of the Temple were destroyed, so no Levites can be used to staff it.
Who is the high priest of your new temple?
By the way, I'm not entirely clear if you are saying there will be a literal temple prior, during, or after the Millennium, or if you are amillennial?
It would be an abomination because Jesus is the true Temple. He is the place where sins are forgiven, not a physical building. Actually the physical building was only typological anyways.
Is he where men come for their sins to be forgiven?
How will your temple be staffed? The geneology records of the Temple were destroyed, so no Levites can be used to staff it.
Who is the high priest of your new temple?
By the way, I'm not entirely clear if you are saying there will be a literal temple prior, during, or after the Millennium, or if you are amillennial?
It would be an abomination because Jesus is the true Temple. He is the place where sins are forgiven, not a physical building. Actually the physical building was only typological anyways.
I am saying that God's temple is gone, that age is done and nations are saved through Jesus, the ONLY way. I'm saying all these things have taken place. I agree with you and do not believe there will be a 3rd true temple commanded by God to build. You say "It would be an abomination because Jesus is the true Temple", I agree but that means the things described in Revelation can not happen in a "not gods fake temple". That's not what we are told would happen. If we're on the same page awesome, but if you're waiting for THE Abomination of Desolation, then you have a problem because Gods temple cannot be desolated if it's not Gods, and we agree it wouldn't be unless God commands it built and dwells within. It's really this simple.
