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Nobodybutjesus

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eternally-gratefull said:
There is a new deception going on, workers are trying to use then”stop believing” argument to support their work for salvation gospel.

there are serious people who believe that if you no longer want your salvation, God will not force you to keep it, and these people will end up lost. However. When you talk to them, they will never talk of ones character, how musty the person sins, or any other thing, they truly believe the sin issue was removed. They just believe God is a loving God and if one of his kids change their mind he will not force them

i disagree with them, but then again, neither of us believe that person is saved. The difference is I believe they were never saved to begin with.

many of these brothers and sisters I have fellowship with, because many go to my church, and I know some are here in CC with us.

as for these other types. They mock these believers by claiming to be just like them (if you stop believing you will lose salvation) because when you get down to it, they speak constantly of sin, lack of obedience, of falling away, of backsliding, things which are terms used by those who work for salvation, which is completely different for. Saying a child went to God, said here God I no longer want this, thank you, but no thank you. They did not fall away, backslide, anything, they just gave it back

be careful these workers who are using this new term and denying they reject Grace,
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Jesus answered: Don't let anyone fool you. Many will come and claim to be me. They will say they are the Messiah, and they will fool many people. You will soon hear about wars and threats of wars, but don't be afraid. These things will have to happen first, but that isn't the end. Nations and kingdoms will go to war against each other. People will starve to death, and in some places there will be earthquakes. But this is just the beginning of troubles. You will be arrested, punished, and even killed. Because of me, you will be hated by people of all nations. Many will give up and will betray and hate each other. Many false prophets will come and fool a lot of people. Evil will spread and cause many people to stop loving others. But if you keep on being faithful right to the end, you will be saved. When the good news about the kingdom has been preached all over the world and told to all nations, the end will come.
Matthew 24:4‭-‬14

False messiahs and false prophets will come and work great miracles and signs. They will even try to fool God's chosen ones.
Matthew 24:24 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/mat.24.24.CEV

Hello. May I know who these false prophets and false messiahs are going to fool or deceive according to the verses above, are they the unsaved only or both? How were they deceived according to Scriptures?

My questions are for everyone who can discern and for edification's sake, I will respect everyone's view according to the Scriptures.

Praise God!
All glory be to God!
 
Whispered

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PS said:
They know the shepherd will give them food, and like most people they seek after themselves, what they don't know is that after the shepherd has fleeced them, he will send them to the slaughterhouse. We need to ensure we follow the GOOD shepherd.
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Have you ever heard spring lamb's bleating on the day of slaughter? :( That sound will cut your heart to the quick.
We are told to beware of false teachers. Indeed, some who teach false doctrine may not even be aware. Led to that understanding due to generations of false understanding that preceded them. Their family staying faithful to a church that teaches false doctrine, as example.
We are told to rightly divide the word of truth. When we start to interject our own words, understanding, preference for context, into God's own words, we become that; false teachers. And we are responsible for this and shall answer before God.
That's why we are told to study and show ourselves approved.
This world prefers quick fixes in most everything. People who have abused themselves for decades with food, drugs, alcohol, any vice, when it comes time to pay the fiddler, poor health, cancer, etc... want a quick fix that saves them. They want it now, when it took years to lose their health.

That's what we witness in false teachers as well. When rather than being an anointed minister of God's true words, are instead exhibiting a materialist doctrine ensconced in a faith and practice of that of entitlement and positive thinking. Sometimes called the, name it and claim it doctrine.
He is a false teacher, as was his father before him.
Countless souls lost to that kind of ministering to materialism?

God's word is easy to understand if we let our own preference for being coddled and enabled to do as we always did but with the name of Christ upon us. Which isn't really bearing the name of our Lord at all.

You've been criticized mightily here for your understanding and defense of that as pertains to scripture. You know your heart. Never be one who is so proud they cannot learn something they do not truly know. God's word stands forever. Our opinion of it does not.

Jesus instructed people using parables so that not all would understand.
The Book of Matthew chapter 13
12.Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ 14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(13) Because they seeing see not.--As the words stand in St. Matthew, they might mean that our Lord adopted the method of parables as a condescension to their infirmities, feeding them, as babes in knowledge, with milk, and not with meat. In St. Mark and St. Luke the reason given assumes a penal character, "that seeing they might not see;" as though they were not only to be left in their ignorance, but to be plunged deeper in it. And this, it is obvious, is even here the true meaning, for only thus does this clause answer to the conclusion of the proverb of Matthew 13:12, "From him shall be taken away even that which he hath." In one aspect, then, the parable was a veil hiding the truth from them, because they did not seek the truth, and this was the working of the divine law of retribution. But even here we may venture to trace beneath the penalty an element of mercy. The parable could, at all events, do men no harm. It could not rouse the fierce enmity that had been kindled by truth spoken in its plainness. And it might prepare the way, might set men thinking and questioning, and if so, that was at least one step towards the "having," though it were but a very little, which might place them among those to whom more shall be given.
 
dcontroversal

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CherieR said:
I asked do you consider me a sister in Christ even though I may doubt, question and fear God's wrath at times?
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As far as I know.......now if you start leddling a self maintained losable salvtion I will begin to question your gospel......amd what you really believe!
 
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EleventhHour

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PS said:
I'm seeing an atheist parading as a Christian, while at the same time leading people away from the saviour.
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@dcontroversal has the true Saviour unlike some who have the "Limited Saviour" who could or would not atone for all sins of a person.
What you preach is complete heresy that only past sins are covered by the cross.
 
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PS said:
I'm seeing an atheist parading as a Christian, while at the same time leading people away from the saviour.
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PS said:
I'm seeing an atheist parading as a Christian, while at the same time leading people away from the saviour.
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Make no mistake pal...the only one leading astray is you.....mark my words....you will see soon enough!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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gb9 said:
my point- you have no business calling out others for being harsh when you yourself are calling folks stupid.
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Let’s be honest.

PS would not be PS if he was not telling people to stop doing things he does every day, we would all start to worry something was wrong,
 
dcontroversal

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PS said:
That is not the Spirit of Christ who said to turn the other cheek. I recognised your spirit as soon as I met with you.
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You recognize nothing pal...you cannot even see clear enough to acknowledge Jesus by faith, much less judge me hypocrite!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PS said:
I'm chuckling to myself. Thank you.
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You should,

what you really should do is confess how you do the very things you keep telling others to stop doing

maybe then can people have a real conversation with you
 
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EleventhHour said:
@Whispered you liked a post where @PS stated @dcontroversal is an atheist and leading people away from the Saviour ..... how does that work when @PS teaches a false Gospel.
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I posted directly to PS in a different posting that you may not have seen as yet concerning that very thing.
I get the feeling you're going to start being stingy with the bread and soup. :p
 
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EleventhHour

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Whispered said:
I posted directly to PS in a different posting that you may not have seen as yet concerning that very thing.
I get the feeling you're going to start being stingy with the bread and soup. :p
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I am not understanding the support......he teaches a horrible horrible theory.
 
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